So ask for different matchmaking for controller and keyboard players then. But it is not what you guys want, you just feel superior to console players.
I am pretty sure that almost all console players use a controller, and that almost all pc players use mouse and keyboard for darktide.
So no, you are wrong and i have no idea why you are throwing around such accusations.
See I want to disagree with this guy because this sounds so smug and superior and elitist but…
Ngl every time I’ve tried to do a difficult mission with a rando, and they’re on xbox… it doesn’t turn out well. I root for them legitimately every time but it doesn’t turn out well.
Actually the only time I remember it ending well I enthusiastically complimented the player in the lobby afterwards and asked about playing DT on xbox and he said, oh I’m on PC gamepass
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as someone that only plays on auric damnation, i can tell you for a fact that most failed missions have/are majority pc players. like, 85%+. some of you act like console players suddenly just make up a huge majority of the player base or something, and that’s the reason why you’re failing so much now lol this is never actually about how bad one side is over the other, it’s just an excuse to blame someone/something else for failure lol
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Actually I’m in a pretty bad spot and this game is, sad as it is, about the only thing I look forward too.
So yeah, I am blaming console players, I have had a handful of good ones rare as they are, for giving me headaches. I run support builds, I have a generally high success rate, but I’m sick of the attitude and expected handouts.
Just today I was in a heresy run for the boss with my best mate, a lv 19 and 22 joined us and tanked the run because they couldn’t hack it at the finale. Our second run almost failed even with two lv 30 console players because, you guessed it, they could barely handle it.
There is also noticeable lag being forced to connect with them that I don’t get when the stars align and I get an all Steam run.
You can call me a failure all you want, I know when I’m being forced to carry someone at my skill ceiling. I’d love it if my clan was what it used to be and I could run with just four friends but life sucks so whatever.
Now I know daddy microsoft won’t let them give us the option so it is what it is. Just another awful thing I have to deal with.
Fatshark should add some restrictions probably.
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I am pretty sure that nobody actually said anything like that.
The majority of darktide players are probably pc players. I don‘t think anyone is gonna claim otherwise. So of course you will have a majority of pc players in most missions (including the ones that fail).
That has nothing to do with the fact that console players (controller users) are on average, far worse at the game than the average pc player (mouse and keyboard users).
Simply because controllers are the worse option for games of this type.
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Because he is smug, feels superior and is an elitist. He know the difference is between controller and kb+m but noooo, he wants to blanked ban any console peasant because he is somehow better than them. Other games had done the impossible and tha game can detect if someone uses controller or kb+m and separates audiences that way. Simply segregating console players is unacceptable.
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It is 100% a skill issue. Of your skills. I am getting bored because I almost never lose an auric highshock, even with full randoms. Most auric maelstroms are also too easy. Of course, I am sure you never had to carry anyone before the xbox release and bad players (new players) were nonexistent. Smh
Hmmm it’s almost as if there are more PC players or sumthin…
Guess we’ll never know.
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Judging by the latest posts, it seems like you guys are talking about me.
If that is the case, i would kindly ask you to read what i actually said, and to point out exactly what it is, that you think is smug and elitist.
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yes. that’s my whole point… you guys like to blame only console players for your failures, when the vast majority of the player base is still pc lol as if somehow console players are the only ones with no skill, making you fail. there are horrible players on both sides, but some of you choose to focus only on one side because you’re biased.
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whoosh lol
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Microsoft force the ability to disable crossplay, steam doesn’t
If it was on FS’s choice, they probably wouldn’t even allow crossplay disabling
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Nobody ever said that only console players can be bad.
Nobody blamed them for their failures.
The simple fact is, playing this game with a controller will result in a worse player performance, than playing it with mouse and keyboard.
This goes for players of any skill level.
This has nothing to do with bias. It is a fact.
If you take the same person and let them play this game with either of the two options, their performance will almost always be worse with a controller.
This has absolutely nothing to do with people being elitist or hating on console players because „console player bad“ and „pc player good“.
Everything else being equal, console players will on average perform worse than pc players, simply because they are using controllers. Because of that, having console players in the party will result in a slightly lower winrate (unless you carry so hard that it really does not matter what your teammates do).
Nobody can argue with that.
Some people are mad about it, some are not.
Some want to be able to opt out of crossplay, others do not care.
Maybe you agree or maybe you disagree with them. Those are things that can be discussed.
But do not act like there is no factual basis for saying that condole players generally perform worse in this game.
(Although console players do not always use controllers and although not all pc players use mouse and keyboard, it does not really matter that those words are used as synonyms. Probably >95% of players use the standard input device and any intellectually honest person understands what is meant.)
Why would MS have a say in how Steam crossplay should behave?
Fatshark would have to abide by MS rules for MS platforms in order to get crossplay out the door. Since Steam have no such rules (AFAIK), FS are not required to implement anything extra, so having no opt out would be faster/easier for the initial release. There shouldn’t be any reason why crossplay settings for Steam couldn’t be implemented in the future.
as someone in another topic already said; this controller skill discrepancy you’re so hell-bent on is negligible at best in pve games. it just is. in pvp, absolutely. but pve? lol as someone that played destiny 2 a lot on ps4/5 before x-play was introduced, player skill wasn’t even an issue as long as they weren’t brand new to the game and trying to just blatantly be carried. even after x-play was introduced, both console AND pc players struggled with raids and dungeon stuff(and still do to this day), but it was never to the point of singling out one player base over the other, because that’s not the issue at all. maybe give a playerbase more than 2 months to actually “get good”? lol
this forum just has a very vocal minority that’s toxic and elitist af lol the majority of people don’t even share your sentiment. if you go and just do a quick search for topics about people complaining about x-play, there’s something like an accumulated 5k views on them and barely even 40 “likes” combined. and even then, it’s just the 5-10 exact same people whining about it in every single one lol
again, some of you need to find something to blame, and console players give you that something to point your finger at. you make generalized blanket statements and then have to backtrack or move goal posts when you get called out for it lol
the next time a console player does actually make you fail a mission, just think of all the other countless times before the x-play update, when it was only pc players making you fail. like, what were you guys complaining about then? oh yeah, “difficulty locks”; so let’s not pretend that it’s a controller skill issue that are making you fail more than usual or making your experience a miserable one to the extreme. it’s really that some of you are just toxic/elitist af lol
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So what is it about pvp that magically creates a skill discrepancy that somehow does not exist when the target you are trying to shoot, is not controlled by a player?
What aspects of player performance are affected, but are only relevant in pvp while having absolutely no impact on pve in a fast paced game like this?
Destiny came from a studio who had spent more than a decade building console-first shooters, so I think they have more experience designing with that in mind 
because an actual person moves completely different than any enemy in this, and pretty much every other game lol there are no enemies in this game that have any unpredictable movement patterns to speak of, or act in a way that requires you to have the m&kb precision/skill that you have such a hard-on for. for example: resident evil is one of the few games that has ai that will actively move around unpredictably to avoid being shot, especially in the head.
what enemy actively jukes out of the way as you’re actively aiming at them in this? none. ok. are there any enemies that change directions or peek corners at unpredictable increments? no. zero. every enemy in this game runs or walks straight at you, or stands in a single spot as they shoot at you. everything is predictable. you can aim for a headshot at an enemy hiding behind cover because you KNOW they’re going to peek out eventually, and in an exact spot. good human players will peek out at a different spot, be constantly moving, or completely change positions.
the skill in this game comes from your knowledge of the enemy types, the map, and your ability to position well, and react to what’s going on around you. while m&kb may offer an advantage to aim, it’s negligible in this because a m&kb doesn’t make your reaction times better, doesn’t give someone common sense, and doesn’t improve game knowledge. bad players are bad players. it doesn’t matter what they’re using. if someone’s using a controller, it’s because they’re used to it, and can (hopefully)perform adequately with it, but the exact same thing applies to a m&kb user.