I am tired of this borefest every time i play with OE. I am starting to leave games with OE.
How much longer we should suffer this?
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Hopefully never. Tired of this nerf fun stuff culture in modern gaming.
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It is fun only for OE and not fun for everyone else in the team
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A horde fighting game where one out of four people has an easy time either hogging most kills and/or just bulldozing any kind of “danger point” kinda kills any form of suspense/excitement. The game turns into a walking simulator for the other 3 helping that 1 guy getting from A to B to then watch B,C,D and E get scrapped near single-handedly.
This is the same old issue SoT caused so there isnt really much reason to just leave it, neither for OE nor for WP whose current design is either bonkers or bugged.
The second 1 out of 4 easily trivializes a run on the highest official difficulty there is an issue.
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Found the narcissist that should be playing a single player game instead.
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I play solo anyway. Besides when I finally found a lobby he is simply the best character to deal with bad ping shenanigans. This is why I dont want him to be nerfed. He is the only guy I can play on-line with and have a slighty good time.
Ah I certainly do sympathise with ping issues. Apologies for being overly harsh before. It’s unfortunate but I don’t think high ping is something you can sensibly balance around. Ideally the bots are improved a bit further so the solo experience is a bit better overall, but I don’t think leaving overpowered stuff alone because of ping is a very convincing stance.
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Not in my experience.
On high difficulties his kit doesn’t just trivialize the game and even if I find a competent OE on my team, most people make enough of a difference to where OE didn’t just carry the team.
OE carrying your game kinda makes it sound like a skill issue or an issue of playing on not high enough of a difficulty. I’ll gladly be wrong but OE is finally useful and doesn’t need a babysitter to be on a team, enjoy his viability before you ask for it to be removed.
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It is a lie. On high difficulties his kit does just trivialize the game. If he is not just absurdly awful.
May be it is skill issue for you if you cant completly whipe enire map as OE?
1)What difficulty is higher then Cata+twitch? Cata+twich+deed? Cata 3 onslaught deathwish? Do you understand how low player count is there?
2) So should we just ignore expirience and balance for 99,99% of players?
Why every ranged carrer dosent require a babysit? Even a BH with 100 base heath, awful THP talents and no panick button. Main problem with old OE was that players on them was just awful. I played OE a lot there and he was pretty damn useful. With 25% DR or Super stagger on heavy he was really fun.
Is it another “he is glass cannon with 120 base HP shield and stagger THP” argument?
Do you know why he was weak on release?
Just look at this picture.
One small detail that is missing here
When this thing was released he became really powerful.
And dont forget that with new bombb talents they buffed this minigun
- Increased base health to 125. All that metal he’s lugging around has gotta count for something!
- Bardin no longer loses stacks of pressure while firing or when the bar is filled. Bardin can also build stacks of pressure while the bar is full.
All this thing alone makes them stupidly powerful even outside the bomb build
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You seriously have not seen a single, not even one, OE that just spams trollhammer at everything and anything? Be it monsters, patrols or hordes…and wiping out anything in the blast zone short of monsters that get chain-stuned instead?
The only thing that can stop one doing this is assassins or even just enemies spawning all around in droves but that is not a normal occurence. And heck in many places he can handle this just fine with minigun if a few specials get caught in it and nothings directly behind him.
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Those are a whole bunch of words just to say that you think trollhammer is too strong and not actually OEs kit.
There’s likely a misunderstanding here; “Kit” in my mind does not refer to a charcters arsenal but their abilities and talents. I understand that for most the arsenal goes into the term of “Kit” as well, I just don’t see it that way.
Even then I kinda don’t see why OE is getting all this hate when Ironbreaker can do the exact same thing with the trollhammer. You have “limited” ammo in either case and you need to hit headshots with an arching grenade launcher to attempt to have “unlimited” ammo. Something which is completely disconnected from either class.
If I had to hazard a guess, it’d be that now that OE is finally considered playable / strong, more people play him now and “abuse” how good the trollhammer is at the same time.
Both of you have asked questions and I’ll answer them if you really want to but they are kinda irrelevant to the topic of: “Is OE really so strong that he ruins the game in general?”
My answer is no. He’s strong and “up there” but game breakingly OP? IF, then only with trollhammer and even then, Ironbreaker, yes f*cking clown-tier IB, can do the same exact thing.
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I haven’t been playing as much as I used to. But that seems more of a weapon issue that a career one.
(I’m also against a big nerf to the weapon, as that’s its role. The cooldown is massive, so much so that I use it for emergencies. Plus the ammo is limited, especially on highest difficulties)
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I have encountered some engineers lately, on expeditions, and they didn’t feel busted.
If I do have one complain is their reckless use of the torpedo when a boss is being handled anyway, damaging the party in melee.
But that’s not something that a nerf will fix.
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Trollhammer on OE has no AOE FF.
OE´s kit is what enables the majority of the issue. 50% more ammo, no FF damage, extra bombs to fill in gaps and minigun for anything that lives beyond all that.
He can watch his Kruber intiate a glorious melee to then shoot the krub for 10 damage(or 0 if he actually cares to not directly impact the krub) while also blowing up the horde. Sad kruber is left with pretty much nothing but a few stragglers or even a second wave that´s going to die to the incoming bomb while the OE reloads his torpedo.
Also, IB clown tier? What tf are you smoking? WP may be outpacing him now after the rework which has made him able to self-revive and pop fury much more easily but before then IB was the most durable tank in the game and he still has everything that made him so.
This is not exactly but quite like saying that hagbane is an issue because waystalker is using it…its the career at large that creates the issue between no FF, bomb gen and lots of extra ammo for the weapon. An IB with perfect aim can replicate it but the skill floor to start that is so far beyond what one needs for engi.
I have not seen an a trollhamer engineer i felt was not busted except the ones who couldnt manage to aim in the general direction of our enemies, now what?
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I dont care about OE being strong, All I want is old bounty hunter back :´(
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Considering that if he didn’t have trollhammer, this wouldn’t be an issue to begin with, this is factually incorrect.
More ammo is a weak point as to why he’s so problematic when IB can also have the same amount of ammo if you hit heads.
As if anyone using the trollhammer ever considered FF, c’mon now.
Minigun was activelyy bad for the team if it was used on hordes and this hold true today. More bombs he could always get but that he starts out with them is so much better that he went from bad to OP? Generating a bomb is actually very powerful. It’s now not fast enough to have one ready for every encounter and you can’t just spam them either. I mean, you can but neither for very long nor is it good play.
This is a meme and not to be taken seriously.
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Now nothing, we simply have had different experiences with it. I’m not trying to discredit anyone’s, just offering mine.
I was surprised to see such a topic after his bomb talent has been repetedly hit, even if he got some good stuff in the process too.
To be honest, before those 2 nerfs I’ve been playing OE, on cata, and never had a complaint from the party, possibly because I’m conservative with my resources (I rarely toss a bomb if I don’t have to). The closest I’ve been to finding other engineers an annoyance is getting FFed and maybe one or two runs on legend, but then again, you don’t play legend for the challenge, at least not after a while.
“Hit” is a bit of a hyperbole, those were very gentle taps and it still doesn’t address how uninteractive and OP having an unlimited supply of bombs without doing anything is.
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In other words he’s OP and needs to be nerfed lol
That career with its bomb build is the only one OP enough to compensate for bad pings says a lot
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