Nurgloth fight is still the worst design-wise

[Philip]

@Rat_Effer

People only want Victory title screens and it shows.

I actually wrote up some thoughts on this very issue. I think it’s true, to some extent. People want to win, because playing takes a lot of time, and losing is very punishing from a reward perspective.

Win-based reward system cultivates too strong failure aversion

The primary driver for playing vermintide 2, at least for me in my first 200 hours or so, was the progression system. I wanted to adopt interesting builds that would feel powerful and that would be fun to play with friends. To that end I was focused on: Getting XP to unlock talents Grinding up to equipment power 300 Getting scrap for rerolls and upgrades Finding red items. If you want to do these things and max out a single career with a build and playstyle you like (which is super fun), that…

It’s a complex topic, so I won’t derail.

@Rat_Effer

I’m convinced most people who play this game don’t want any actual challenge.

This definitely isn’t true, and I don’t think anyone has ever said they don’t want to be challenged in this topic. People like challenge, but they like fair, consistent challenge. If you read the conversation above (and previous conversations about boss fights) you can see that consistency is a recurring theme.

If you don’t bring the right tools to the bossfight, it’s an incredible slog and extraordinarily challenging. If you bring the right tools to the fight, it’s almost trivial. I think people are still trying to work out why this is the case (I don’t want to poison the well with uninformed speculation) and I think it’s a valuable discussion.

My thought is that the bossfight doesn’t necessarily need a nerf. We need to identify why the difficulty is so inconsistent and see if there are ways to alter the fight to make it more consistently challenging for all players running viable builds.