I hate Psykers running around with a multitude of cheats more than anyone, but calling Recon Vet standard is a bit much.
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The game looks fuggin horrible like this. That fov is way to much and all the stuff crammed in the middle of the screen looks stupid. The only extra thing i would want on the hud is the dodge count mod
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Itās always an issue in that people can lower their graphics and turn off effects for optimal efficiency. I like things looking pretty though so I will go with the graphical settings. Camera shake, darkness, etc.
The spam left click build on psyker is good, but kills my wrists andā¦ is boring. So I donāt run it. But that build, mods or not. is good. Especially if you use a macro, which isnāt a mod.
Most mods I donāt care about at all however some are straight up cheating and you see some of the big YouTubers who claim to be great at the game using them. Even MR E who I think is a great content creator uses the auspex cheat. Itās been normalised to that extent.
Ones that are cheating
Spider sense.
Auspex and mini game cheat
Scopes on guns
Health bars.
Psyker laser beams till the end of the month .
You donāt need FS to tell you they are cheat to realise that they are. Or maybe you do?
Donāt care about the rest. Donāt even really care about health bars that much.
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Thatās how game should be by default imo
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I used Spidey Sense in the past just for the trappers because they barely make a sound in all the chaos
I was so happy when the āCackling Trappersā mod released, making them laugh all the time just like Hookrats could be heard in every step, I found no need to use Spidey Sense ever again
Fatshark should implement Cackling Trappers by default tbh
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people dont like the puzzle stuff, fine just watch my arse and lemme get the stuff done.
auspex itself is boring true, doing it akimbo to managing the gap in the horde with 2 or more inept randosā¦ thats kinda spicing it up.
besides, ogryn has broad back, horde tickles if anything.
mutants and trapper thats about the things that needs to be kept away.
buuuut dude runs to auspex,poooof solved, go kark yourself.
try that 1-button trick getting treats from the zoo food handler, youāve āearnedā it.
tbh, never used it myself (got the point somewhat) due to if modding then to get RID of things for the purest most essential hud that can still be called a hud possible kinda experience.
thing is HISTG and above audio or no, recently (and again iām fine with the numbers) one gives her pitch but 3 jump outta the clown car in about the same area.
i guess that would make the s-sence flash in the same direction as well, omitting the amount of actual nets being made ready to launch at ya, woudld it?
so in a nihilistic kinda ākark-itā i accept not getting the whole intel that split second anyways 
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Auspex is meant to tie ( so your team is a man down) and to encourage team work to cover you for 5-10 seconds and the challenge that comes with it.
The mini game its self is meaningless. But if you reduce the time by half you are making those events way easier so itās cheating.
Classic example of this is Hab drako where is very hard to cover your team mate for 10+ sec. Taking an extra 10 seconds there is a death sentence .
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I have a serious concern that the modding situation, particularly the ones you list hereā¦
ā¦ have become so normalized that a significant chunk of the top players are using them. This in turn is skewing what we can consider the true skill gap between the top and middle levels of performance in an average Damnation+ game.
Actual talent should be measured by Experience, Knowledge and innate reflex and awareness. With a small concession for customized equipment being a measure too.
Some of the mods can obviously be put into that last category, but a lot of others are obviously wildly affecting success rates, and in turn is used as an accurate measure of how hard the game is?! I just canāt accept that as reasonable.
Ohh ohh, I just remembered. Last night I had someone in my Havoc game, was using some kind of coloured quick message mod. Had things like āGroup up now! Stay togetherā in red. A whole bunch of different quick messages. Seems pretty handy.
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chasm station for example:
you can cuddle yourself up a bit between the inner techy ring and the spex terminal, getting an 30Ā°ish ankle to the right metal fence-whatever is blocking the view there and pipe em up around the rotunda.
trivial i know, but one of those ālittle thingsā i take joy from discovering after a couple 100 hours, getting through ever so bit faster/smoother/more efficient.
like trickjumps through quake maps that, a few months ago, seemed like witchcraft
hab dreyko is really something (and a something i enjoy honestly) in terms of its openess.
sometimes i hit that sweetspot between going ham on 10 shotgunners jumping that construction fence and still be back to earn rashuns scanning using that brief air-pocket of respawns.
but yeah, for it to play normally you do need your mates to at least their part and its a make or break on the finish line.
come to think one of the few true climax(es? :thinking), seeing most maps firing their powder at around 30-50% down the line (ascension riser, clandestium etc)
nice to know ānot-smooth-sailingsā 
I dont understand what the problem is, all you can have are mods that tell you where enemies are, how much health they have, how many specials there are, can bypass mini-games, tells you where items are and auto loots chests, tells you how many dodges you have, auto-uses psyker abilities when about to blow, auto-swings heavy attacks and light attacks as fast as you can go and also does block cancelling to swing even faster, auto tags enemies, shows aoe templates for barrels and other dangers, tells you where all scannable targets are, makes the ogryn fart instead of shouting when taunting, tells you when people leave coherency and visually removes the ogryns shieldā¦
Removing machine gun psykers entirely solves the cheating with mods. Whats the problem.
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you can see more around you, therefor have more information, going by your own rules, it is cheating.
Not really the same as [SpiderSense], (you need to spin around just as much in both modes), but letās agree to disagree 
Psyker has virtually always had access to really degenerate builds/strats, with or without mods.
Until Fatshark adds basic quality of life features like solo play, instant vendor/mission access, scoreboard, and dodge counter, itās not worth getting worked up about this stuff. The game is incomplete and Fatshark has relied on modders to effectively finish the game.
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Solo play and hub shortcuts are not cheats. QoL arent cheats.
Dodge counter gives more info than FS give, so I would consider soft cheating. FS have deliberately not given a dodge count for a reason. They have, however, allowed people to mod it in 
I dont actually care that people cheat with extra info mods.
The only one that I slightly care about is the bypassing the mini-games because it removes what is, imo, an important element of the game and entirely mitigates the risk and sweaty palms trying to complete them under pressure. Many teams fall apart doing these properly (i.e. how FS intended). Feels a bit lame when someone removes them with mods, like we didnt do it properly. But whatever 
I do have slightly less respect for people who use these kinds of mods that show vital info, even if I still admire their mechanical skill. The more they mod with vital info, the less respect I have for their run. The same goes the other way, the less info someone has, the more respect I have for them.
Funny thing with the Psyker quelling. Id have more respect for someone manually doing it, than getting a mod to do it for them, same with block cancelling to attack faster. It takes a huge amount more skill to pull that stuff off effectively in the middle of a hard game than getting a computer to do it for them.
Whats next? get AI to just play Aurics for you and call it a day 
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what if psyker found a machine gun? he becomes a gun psyker. at least thatās the proper way to psyker with a machine gun imo. when i play electro staff, i just fry the uglies with the lightning, cause itās like the quake lightning gun. even if itās auto-aiming to a degree instead of properly keeping the beam on them. but this ball lightning spam? is this the pride of using a macro? doh. people like these give us who mod the game a bad rep.
as for puzzle solvers, i came to kick a$$ and chew bubble gum, not play lego on a tree. i do the standard puzzle and keep the room quiet so chief ogryn can solve the others.
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This is the only one I truly consider cheating.
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Thatās the thing. Different people are going to have slightly different lines for what they consider cheating. Some mods are going to garner more agreement than others, but itās really hard to place that line.
Almost nobody thinks the vanilla experience is complete, and thatās a problem that Fatshark should address.
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Indeed