A console is cheap enough to get as an xmas or birthday gift for many or pick up with a part of a tax refund, a gaming PC much less so. Likewise, you can get a lot of legs out of a PC, but most don’t. Playing on older hardware has drawbacks, typically scaling the game down substantially from the intended experience. I remember trying to play Vermintide II on a GTX960 in 2019 and 2020 and while the game ran it wasn’t fun, same way you can play something like Cyberpunk 2077 on a 10 year old setup, but it’s either going to look like mud or stutter you into migraines.
If you’re upgrading from mid-tier system to mid-tier system every 10 years, yeah sure that’s probably cheaper than keeping up with console generations, but I don’t know anyone that stretches machines out that long if they can help it. If you’re upgrading any more frequently or any more upscale, it’s typically going to cost more. I’ve certainly spent more on my machines for the last…almost 25 years now, than I would have on consoles.
No no no. With PC’s its not a matter of how good your pc is, its a matter of how well the game is optimized. And Cyberpunk was and is notoriously horribly awfully poorly optimized. Meanwhile god of war was as well optimized as Aphrodite’s buttcheeks.
On the exact same machine i played both games and cyberpunk not only run like diarrhea but also looked worse, meanwhile god of war run smoothly and looked godly (pun intended)
I am also running a very outdated I5 cpu and have been for the past 6+ years? and the only now did i came across games i cannot play (alan wake 2 and SM2 ;_; )
And i was looking forward to alan wake 2 so much too…pain… but i digress.
ALSO when you upgrade your pc you ONLY need to upgrade your GPU or your CPU both of which are far far far cheaper then a whole new entire console.
An RTX 3060 during launch cost 300$ in 2021, meanwhile PS5 cost 600$ in 2020. And you dont even need the freshest GPUs, only after like 2-3 years will you actually see games that will need that new 3060 to be played on max settings.
And especially the CPUs the I-9 gen cpu first released in 2017 and to this day it remains as a high end cpu capable of running most new games on max settings.
No matter how you look at it, PC’s are cheaper then consoles.
Trust me, as someone who refuses to upgrade to the bitter end, upgrading your pc is extremely rare necessity. Unlike consoles who demand it every 2-ish years out of greed and scummery.
I’m not sure that’s right. If you’re spending significantly on minute upgrades on a PC, you’d probably also be buying all those console series one by one. Am sure you end up paying more if you’re a console gamer and want to have state of the art hardware. Let alone the fact the things bricked for many gens, not sure about current console gens but people having to buy three 360s was commonplace.
Also this might sound like a nitpick but these controllers are pieces of garbage designed to break. I’ve bought more controllers to replace broken ones than I’ve bought mice and keyboards, and I don’t smash em into the wall and I play controller games very rarely.
Also, I dont know how xbox works but for a lot of playstation games you gotta pay an actual subscription to play online. Enjoy another hidden cost of engaging with the console market.
Also, you don’t actually have to upgrade often. I’m on 10 year old hardware and playing at better framerates and resolution than what the contemporary shitbox enjoyer gets rewarded with for buying the latest coolest yearly series for another half grand. PC gaming comes with the benefit of being able to change inis and graphics settings to squeeze performance out of games. That said I’m stretching it and will upgrade soon, but it had to be said.
Thx for this reply!
I have seen a few havoc runs from youtubers, and i am not saying that mods plays the game for them, but man, your target priority and positioning becomes much more informed.
If i somehow knew that there were 3 trappers in the field i would definitely play extra differently or reposition!
What you say about playing on instinct is very on point. I came from destiny2, and i can never go back lol, the flow zone in this game is unmatched. A very unique and satisfying game play loop
not sure id agree with your assertions about cyberpunk i mean it did launch in bad state but today? its one of the best running well optimised games out there. and god of war looks ok for a 7 year old game , sure low textures tiny fov and no draw distance but yes it will run on a 6 year old i5.
Yes, I can understand the frustration and desire for a mod support on consoles but you should treat your platform as the cheaper alternative for a luxurious entertainment, as graphics cards today are as high in price as your whole console.
Then again, I play at lowest settings at 1290x960 with DLSS, so I think a very cheap second-hand PC can also handle DT. Perhaps, sell the console?
In fact, please could someone who’s familiar with all the mods and how they work, create a new thread with multi-option poll to ask whether we’d like the mods in vanilla or not. Each one would require a tiny description so maybe only the most used ones. I appreciate it would take a bit of effort to do so.
I ask as I’d love to gauge the forum consensus and see if others are the same as me: someone who doesn’t use mods but wished quite a few of them were in the game.
Someone very familiar would need to create it.
Would be interesting to see people’s opinions about the functionalities instead of arguing over them being mods.
Life lesson for you : If you want something done, you’ve to do it yourself. Never expect or ask for others to do something for you. And if you do, prepare to be disappointed.
It applies to pretty much almost every situation in life.
This is an insult to all the games that actually are well optimized and built with care.
Cyberpunk is still poorly optimized, npc’s, textures, and cars still take forever to load it and you have to wait and stare at the PS2 johnny’s face while it loads his textures (i use a 3060TI gpu)
In the pre-last update i litearlly drove a car stopped and vending machines spawned on top of me. On other occasions i walked down the streets only for a group of gang members to spawn all around me.
Lol whatever dude. I’m over 40 years old, married and with children, I have enough life experience myself thanks.
Instead of being needlessly patronising, next time why not just keep your valuable and totally irrelevant life lesson to yourself? That’s my valuable life lesson.
I’ve not demanded anyone do it and not going to cry if no one does, but it’s something that 100% requires intimate knowledge of the mods. I have precisely zero knowledge as I have never installed a mod in DT.
Perso, I tested spidey sense, and I removed it actually.
In fact the mod, for me, was just a colored christmas tree around my crosshair. The help provided is minimal (I would even say that it disturb more than help).
But, must say it can help a lot players with hearing impairement.
The biggest advantage you can have in Darktide, is simply playing with headphones on - unless you got a really good speaker setup.
My performance doesn’t really change much with the mods I use, but I also know that I’m on the lighter side of mod usage compared to some people posting here.
I can definitely see arguments for questionable mods like Spidey Sense, because time and time again the game “cheats” players by not playing audio cues, or instantly spawning enemies that instantly attack, where you have no reasonable way of reacting in time.
Or a funny one that I saw recently, several crushers hitting players through an enclosed elevator that hadn’t opened its door yet. Half the party instantly downed and no way of having known it was happening.
Game is simply too janky to completely dismiss mods, but some mods 100% go too far.
Like the puzzle solver ones, puzzles are supposed to take time, and it’s part of the challenge of the mission to survive the enemies while dealing with that.
The ugly reality is that the overwhelmingly vast majority of games are poorly optimized for decade old hardware.
In theory, you’re not wrong, but optimizing for systems older than 5 years, especially for anything but high-end hardware, is typically an afterthought for most developers.
Can’t speak to God of War unfortunately, never played one of 'em outside of testing for SCEA on a Developer PS3 (and was terrible at it )
Among things I have played, trying to play new games on decade old systems rarely goes well, if they’re even supported. Vermintide II played like absolute crap on a (at the time) 3-4 year old mid-range RTX960 machine that ran about $1000 a decade ago.
Darktide won’t even support that decade old card today, nor will Helldivers 2, if I want to play a coop 4 person shooter on that system I’m pretty much limited to the Left 4 Dead series and DRG. I can’t even play the newest Goat Simulator on that 960 system, nor Baldurs Gate 3, nor even some older titles like Doom Eternal, it just doesn’t meet their minimum system requirements.
Hrm, if all you’re doing is upgrading the videocard, and are only going for mid-range hardware, sure. But, at least in my experience, you usually can only do that once before needing a full hardware refresh as other things evolve. Trying to plug a modern mid-range card into an old system isn’t going to resolve every performance issue if it’s throttled by an ancient motherboard and CPU or other bits (or software support). Trying to plunk a new card into a decade old system built on Win 8 and finding no drivers on nVidia’s download page would be a downer.
Once you start adding in any other components, or want to upscale at all costs add up. A mid-range RTX4060 right now in 2025 is a $300 card. A mid-range CPU is another ~$300. That’s $600 there, matching the most expensive consoles, and that’s not even getting into if you need a new motherboard or want to add more RAM, while a upscaling to a new 4090 alone is probably enough to buy you both an Xbox and a PS5. Meanwhile PS5’s and Xbox’s top out at $700, but are available in lesser models for as little as $425 for the PS5 and going as low as $300 for the Xbox.
In that case, perhaps, but for my own part, I’m not typically replacing individual components anymore, I usually buy a system, and replace it wholesale once it starts aging at about 5/6 years. Replacing individual components over time hasn’t really been worth it over the last decade or so in my experience. Back in the day, when I was a wee lad or up through college, the late 90’s through the late 00’s, maybe even early 2010’s sure, but it’s been many moons since I found updating individual components to be a worthwhile endeavor.
Especially with GPU supply issues over the last few years. As mid-rage cards moved to the price point high end cards used to occupy, and high end cards dramatically outpaced CPU pricing and started hitting quad digits, and then after those got hit by Bitcoin mining inflation and market scarcity, trying to find the card you wanted at the price you wanted got awkward. I haven’t built a system in the last couple years, and from what I gather those circumstances are different now, but last time I built a system trying to even find a GPU in stock, much less at merely MSRP, was a nightmare.
I have lived through this plenty of times with PC hardware too. More than once I’ve gotten home, started putting a system together, only to find the motherboard was DoA, or had the videocard die in a couple of months. My current gaming laptop managed to generate a dead line of pixels across the monitor inside of a month (thankfully that screen only gets used for Discord and outputs other content to an LG 42" OLED)
What 10 year old hardware are you running on just out of curiosity? My 10 year old hardware absolutely will not run Darktide on an I7-6700 and RTX960, and it runs Vermintide II like absolute garbage.
I guess it’s 8 years old, I just looked it up, the 1080ti.
I’m not maxing out my graphics but I’m not on minimum graphics or potato mod settings either and I’m at 60-100 fps. Am stretching it but it’s perfectly playable without too many concessions. Haven’t spent a dollar on it since 2017 (other than a new controller ironically)
For comparison here, consider here is that if I was console gaming I would’ve had to buy every single console series because these newer games literally don’t run in any acceptable way on older series. Like the old PS5 can’t even play darktide at over 30 fps unless you kill the resolution and go full vaseline mode that actually hurts your eyes. And even the newer dips below 60 fps constantly. Frankly just not playable for this type of game. And keep in mind this is all with aggressive turd quality upscaling, far worse than what we got on PC.
My overarching point is that my 8 year old PC that I paid not much more than a PS5 pro for back in the day is getting better performance than a PS5 pro, and I would’ve bought a PS5 before that too.
I could probably squeeze a better experience than a ps5 pro out of a thinkpad, no joke. It’d look better too cause it’s not doing that shitty playstation upscaling. Add to that that if there’s a stuttering issue I can actually fix it myself via ini edits. Currently the xbox version is apparently barely playable.
It’s just a pretty horrid situation all around and I think anyone actually paying into this stuff is getting duped. I respect that some people just wanna plug and play on their TV but steam has had big picture mode for a long ass time now, it’s not like you can’t do that with a PC
Ah okay yeah, the 1080ti is a beast of a card, I can see that working well still.
Hrm, I wasn’t aware there were such significant performance differences between versions on the current gen machines. I’ll admit since Covid I haven’t had much console gaming around, with older gens they seemed to largely focus on a smaller form factor or adding more features or stuff like more storage space/memory with different versions instead of radically improving performance. If that’s the case, I can see that being more of an issue.
While I can see where you’re going, I think the PC must have cost significantly more than the consoles. The 1080ti card was the highest-tier card available at the time from nVidia, costing $700 alone at launch in 2017 before anything else, about $900 today accounting for inflation (and debuting just as the crypto-rush started swallowing the supply of GPUs and spiked end-user prices). nVidias highest tier card today starts at $1600, with the *080 series starting at $1000. That’s before CPU, motherboard, RAM, storage, power supply, case, etc. If we assume the GPU is the single most expensive component, comprising 50% of the cost (and that if you’re dropping that much coin on a card you’re not totally skimping everywhere else), that means we’re probably looking at a build cost of $1400 in 2017, equivalent to ~$1800 today. That’s enough to buy a PS5 Slim, Slim Digital, and Pro, with ~$200 left over.
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