Good, it needs it. Get in some Plasma buffs too.
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Well, not really 
There are many downsides to a Bolter other Weapons dont have.
Insta Reloasd was the weakest and least used, if ever Skill by Vet Players. Was not worth it against the other Skills. Just Reload, meh. You can get 20% Flat reload, 30% reload on ELite/ Special Kill and 10% you had on Perks. More than enough to string the Ulti one after another with reloads inbetween!
You would choose either Monster/ Ogryn dmg or Weakpsot dmg
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Yeah, it wasn’t a surprise they nerfed vet, but it still kinda sucks they yanked so much of their kit. guess we made it obvious how useless half the classes are.
This is exactly the heart of why I started the post. A lot of people are lost in saying that Vet is still viable. I never said you can’t make a viable Vet build. I said I can’t make “my” old build, and I was told many times over I would be able to.
What’s wore is exactly what SgtHavelock is saying, the skill was not removed from the whole game for some sense of “balance”. It was given to another class, as if that making another class some ranged god made it better.
People say how it was OP, but are quick to forget how much of your ammo you traded for these situations. It’s not like you could do this constantly without going dry. And further more, the instant reload being detached from all it’s other previous perks could have allowed for it to be put in a place on the tree that better balanced it. To make it 100% gone from the Vet rather than making them pay for it in the build is just plain wrong.
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You also got 60% Toughness, which made it better for more melee focused vet builds I ran.
Agreed 100% but then i wasnt replying to that. i was replying to
i have never had hit reg issues . but you are right i did omit a lot i was talking about possible, i didnt mention having to hit , have ammo in the gun , beat the psyker to the kill , not have the ogre in the way
the crits though with surgical and base + all the extra crit you can pick up in the tree now that is trivial to apply on every burst . on the enemiies that do need a crit burst to hit the break point and most dont you only have to aim for around 1second to gurantee it.
and you’re dropping maulers in a single burst outside of your ult?
now thats a fair point. mia culpa there i did forget them.
out of ult they take 9 bullets to the head or 6 to the body
Btw. Did anyone noticed currently small ammo pickup does not even give you full mag for bolter? It’s now just 12 bolts…
Also who the hell setup max ammo to be 80?! why not 90 or 75 for Emperors sake? Who goes in to battle with “last mag” 1/3 loaded?!
ARGHHHH.
For the auto reload. Eh, It was OP and immersion breaking (Personal Opinion). What I miss is killing Maulers under 4 shots and being able to hit anything on longer distances with 2nd and 3rd consecutive shot. Also the bigger ammo pool. Also not beeing so karking squishy.
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Total Ammo capacity depends on the ammo stat, though.
Always has. To have perfectly sized clips that have no “leftover” bullets or “missing” bullets, you theoretically need to be at 0% or 100% ammo attribute value. Which is a bit upsetting for OCD people like you and me, who don’t want a burst rifle to have half a burst left. 
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Doesn’t work for bolter. 
It’s always 15/80 now (ok, when you grab perk it’s 15/100). BUT STILL.
Couldn’t they just increased the overall ammo capacity for autoguns? And don’t get me started on mag sizes. Emperor save me!
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don’t be obtuse - you’re commentary is non-sequitur to my points. you may as well have mentioned that you also need to have the computer on and the gaming running.
I’m a netsec engineer by trade - I’ve run this game on a municipalities dark fiber line, 5 hops from the server and experienced hit reg problems. you didn’t notice is the real answer. it’s entirely beyond the players control and often handicaps any kind of “headshot build” outside plinking stationary targets in the psykhanium.
you’re not landing 100% crits unless you’re doing nothing other than standing there, spinning up surgical to max, popping off shots only every 5 seconds.
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As we speak I am writing a very detailed thread on how to “fix” veteran.
Do I post it in “Gameplay Feedback” or in “General” ?
Probably feedback.
It did it before. It wasn’t 15 as long as I had a bolter.
I posted it here:
lol you started it , yes a build that is built around scoring crits on weak spots does require hitting crits on weakspots
i thought it was obtuse needing to restate that but you did it anyway
well i was a cook by trade and we call it that making conclusions you have no evidence of all we know for sure is there is a problem where you live.
doesnt prove anythign about the hit registry here
but lets give you the benifit of the doubt here and agree its so utterly unimpactful i havent even noticed it.
ok what s your point? what is it your trying to argue here?
the only point of that build was to see if it was possible for a vet to stil output top tier damage thats all that was claimed.
well now your just demonstrating a lack of knowledge, surgical alone with no other affect guarentees crits after just 2 seconds. its not hard to get that down to near 1 second and you really dont need to land crits on most enemies
i really not sure what your trying to argue here, is the vet still S tier on dmage and viablke , yes, can you do it with this build , yes . the fact you can miss or might have lag, or there be a hardware fault between you and the server, need to hit a target etc it just isnt relevant to the point. talk about non squitur’s your trying to invent an argument you can win in order to draw a conclusion about a point not relevant to the question!
What if I want to use plasma gun?
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Not rly, main reason bolter was op ammo regen aura scaling with auric-maelstrom, more specials/elites more you can shoot without ammo management +insane damage. Now it has both no ammo and no swap speed.
Plasma is even worse than before.
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Pinning fire was also hit lowering its top-end damage by a lot.
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Yes that was great! I ran the Reload on Shotgun and Revolver sometime, but the other 2 SKills were way better iMO. I always forgot i had insta reload and reloaded manually . then hit the Ulti
That shpwed leave it be hahha
Nah i got used to it but never touched it after!
I tried to tell people to nerf rending instead of pinning fire but so it goes.
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