Is Ogryn the weakest class?

Literally all blessings which proc on 10% mag spent trigger from every shot instead of every other shot.

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if other players needs are something else then they should pick what they need then? its up to the player to pick whatever the f*ck they want in a build. i want toughness and toughness regen so i take less health damage, and its the better option 99% of the time anyway, so i take it. if i wanted to throw the game and guarantee a loss i would take block efficiency and plant the shield the entire game, but thats not what i want, i want to live, kill enemies, play the game, so i take the best options to allow that

Only thing I’d really like to see for oggy as far as changes goes is letting his effective dodges shove through enemies like Slayer Bardin.

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Only this forum would manage to twist us spending countless hours on a guide to share our advice, made out of love for our fellow Ogryns, into “abusing my position”, just because you can’t persuade me to change a description. Get a grip.

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Gotcha, thanks.

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Ahem, abusing your “position of infamy.”

You know what you did.

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You ever hear of the term “influencer”, mister Community Hero?

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Just to confirm: yes, that is the mod!

No, never. Please explain how it applies to this gameplay guide for the moderately succesful niche videogame product Warhammer 40,000: Darktide.

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abusing a position of infamy by not explaining what coherency regen does in an ogryn guide now that is genuinely hilarious

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The Ogrynomicon has been featured prominently on the Darktide launcher, that’s as close as one gets to being “official” without actually being official.

That, by default, can be and WILL be interpreted as an official endorsement of the guide. That all players should heed the words of the text within as sanctioned by the developers. This inherently influences people, this is where the term “influencer” comes from for content creators in general. It influences opinion on the game, things within the game, even how people want the game to change.

Because of this, you and every co-author on the Ogrynomicon are influencers. You have undeniably a hold over public opinion, especially on Ogryns and their playstyle, and therefore when you say subjectively that Toughness Regen is the best perk on curios, people will go elsewhere and preach the same thing just because you said so

That comes with a very clear responsibility - People will just believe what you say, of course that’s with good reason so far, the guide is well done, researched, and even featured by Fatshark themselves. However, now that that is there, you can easily make a mistake and everyone will believe it and parrot it around as fact, and that’s really difficult to change.

You have power, like it or not, and should recognize that responsibility, especially when in official spaces you also are a moderator and “Community Hero.” Logically you aren’t above us, but people will still interpret as such. Your opinions, your subjective views, have sway and through that can silence those with opposing opinions, or even legitimate evidence against what you may mistakenly regard as fact.

This is why many(including myself) are so an*l about this. Our voices aren’t present in the most popular, practically officially endorsed guide on an entire class in the game. It’s not like this opinion is uncommon either, clearly it was around enough to get a brief mention in the way of “Some people disregard this perk” when talking about Toughness Regen.

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I clearly disagree.
Test it. It fails to regen if the enemy is in contact. But then you get toughness regen of melee kills. But at 2 meters of the enemy, your toughness regen.
And this perk is really useful.

What you want to add would suggest someone that this mechanic is not important. However, every time you’re not in a melee fight, this ability regen faster your toughness. Sometimes between 2 waves, this can regen all your toughness.
The perk has an impact on both the time needed before it starts to regen and the amount of toughness that will be regenerated.

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I agree with your overall point, which is why we do our best to do our homework and provide our fellow Ogryns with useful advice and opinions, but…

So was the Gameslantern community builds page and we all know what that place is like.

Fatshark is responsible for what they feature, nobody else.

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Yes, and yet people will take it all as gospel nonetheless. Fatshark may be responsible, but that doesn’t mean that responsibility isn’t shared, so to speak. In your case, I’d say it weighs even heavier just due to the fact that you are a moderator, “Community Hero”, etc. Not heavier than Fatshark, necessarily, but that you have a lot more sway than Gameslantern ever did.

So, let me instead ask, as someone who feels their opinion isn’t very well recognized by Fatshark or the wider community, take in my word and the words of others. Tyranny of the Majority is never fun, and you have the prime positioning to give a voice to even the quietest of those, alongside having the power to filter out whatever nonsense may come from that direction too. Thank you.

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Honestly? Feel free to spend hundreds of hours making your own guide if you want to be heard. The Ogrynomicon isn’t popular because I have a shiny badge on the Fatshark forums, it’s popular because we put a ridiculous amount of effort into it. It’s our work and not a platform for anyone else. Do the work yourself if you want to compete.

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Thank you hearing our voice in the community, Community Hero.

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Cant be the weakest if youre alone.

You’re welcome. Good luck with your guide!

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Love how we went from refusing to correct legitimate mistakes to “nah make your own”

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I mean, yeah, but that’s a bit simplistic.
For the same player skill level, Vet and Zealot are objectively stronger than Biggryn, and a fair amount of that is from the weapons themselves.
Some of that disparity is from Big Boned Best Bud getting constant “balance” tweaks the last many updates, I don’t necessarily disagree with it, but I wonder who’s feedback they’re listening to there. Some of that is from incidental nerfs to other mechanics, e.g. stagger, ammo.

P.S. If it weren’t for the pickaxes, the gap would be even wider, that puts the other weaps where? Are there other weaps besides shield?

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