Delusional take. Spearhead Boltgun and Plasma Gun are both extremely viable and occupy different niches.
He’s not wrong, the bolter atm DOES do MOST everything the plasma does but better,AND MORE .
You say that as if they’re supposed to fit the same niche. Plasma Guns equip faster, have a lot more cleave and are more ammo-efficient all around. Those are all extremely important factors in the context of playing Damnation or above.
I still take Plasma over Bolter on Veteran because I prefer to use Confirmed Kill over One Motion. Bolter’s my preferred Zealot weapon, however.
I saw that too in a few missions. Someone saw a plasma, left the mission. I have some opions about weapons and builds as well, but sometimes some people show me that I’m wrong. For example: I don’t like invisbilty at all, especially at zealot, because i think personally: A frontliner that drops aggro? Hell no! But then i met a zealot named Kera-Praxis, used Hammer and Boltpistol. Oh boy, that guy was a very good player, with the team and mechanicly. In the past, i left lobbys, especialy when i saw 2 invisble zealots in a maelstromlobby(lobby not leaving ingame), because it was a meme and it was rough when the both used their skill at the same time. That was the time i ,grinded"get my Auric Storm Survior legit, and i think it helped 
. But i don’t care anymore. Yeah sometimes I really need want to sit in a corner and cry, when i see players don’t know what they are doing with there weapons and builds. Or leaving the game, because they died. But leaving the game, because the choose a weapon i don’t like? Wtf is wrong with people.
Penetration, faster swap and eventual ammo efficiency are great and all, but bolter can hose down a wide swath very quickly instead of relying on pen, projectile is hit scan with no charge time delay (even on plasma hip).
As for penetration, bolt has some trash pen and some door/floor pen (beyond explosive?) and whatever other magic mentioned in notes. Then there are the things the plasma can’t do: e.g.the bolter can clear little shooters much better, whether it’s picking them off or spraying a line of them crouched etc.
There’s a lot of overlap, but overall the bolter got buffed a lot outshines the mighty plasma, at least for now. It’s likely to get toned down once they fix the root cause of the aim/recoil/sway jank.
Just as long as what is being complained about is “the other guys clearly unbalanced (aka makes me look worse) crutch”. Not even the Old Ones can help you if you so much as hint that their own particular crutches need to be brought down a bit.
Sadly its already happening. Or rather it had already happened but the mutual loathing for the Gacha-posing-as-crafting was barely enough to paper over the differences. Without that… well this “community” was already a cesspool with about 500 gallons of perfume dumped in. Its not so much it will get worse as it will be much harder to ignore reality now that the perfume went away.
I rather have a semi-competent plasma gunner veteran than a recon lasgunner who’s allergic to melee and constantly complain about being out of ammo.
I would say Plasma has less efficiency with ammo. It seems like when I pick up ammo for the Plasma I barely gain anything whereas I pick up a small ammo for the bolter and get an entire magazine plus 4 extra rounds. I had many more problems with Plasma’s ammo capacity than I have had with the bolter. I don’t see the argument of occupying different niches really, maybe in one aspect which is penetration, that’s it. Even on that end the Bolter might outshine it solely because of its fire rate and you combine that with 60% increased reload speed, the gun is just a monster when used correctly.
Have you tested out the bolter since the buff or are you just saying that? I can provide you some proof if you’d like. Plenty of videos with the Bolter since switching and I am doing much better gameplay wise and scorewise.
this entire thread gave me braindamage.
I am sure that existed far before you entered this forum
Unrelated, but since you seem to think Plas-vet is the best thing in the game, have you tried SG assail + combat shotgun psyker. I honestly don’t think anything is putting up similar numbers rn in terms of raw output.
Yes and it’s great on the old Bolter build and it’s almost great on Exa Stance where the general ammo balance holds it back in a pub environment. It gives me a bit too much ammo anxiety.
On a more melee focused build (which is overall much more reliable to carry with) the quick-swap special deletion of the revolver/plasma is still a much better fit, and the extra boss damage of the bolter isn’t that shiny.
There is a bit more argument for being a top pick on Zealot, because the class has much better synergy with the weapon, and throwing knives which is already the best pick (and best pathing) on most builds does come with a perk of quick trapper/flamer deletion when doing melee.
Plasma was never all that op.
People just use it while roleplaying with non-crutchsword melee weapons and/or they suck at dealing with pre-nerf bulwark and such.
The boss dps was never great, and with Boltgun + puncture, that pulls ahead even further. Anything below boss level is just 2-3 shot with crutchsword or one shot with krak. (which goes back to the “while roleplaying with non-crutchsword melee weapons and/or they suck at dealing with pre-nerf bulwark and such.” part)
The only reasons I would care about the random pub trash using plasma or flamer is their potential in blowing themselves up(plasma) or just being totally useless/detrimental to the team(lamer).
i see. so now that anyone can craft what they want, if your loadout isn’t what they think is meta (and needed), then it’s a skill issue 
sure, meta loadouts help when one is struggling with a mission, but how is one supposed to improve or learn new things without stepping out of their comfort zone?
Someone has to be a special kind of stupid to blow themselves up with the plasma gun
It’s like the safest version of the weapon in the setting, if it says like 90/100% on the screen cool it down don’t pull the trigger
typical darktide players
Funnily enough this is how I got the Psyker achievement for blowing elites up in one go… Now that’s special!!! 
Lethal amounts of Plasma cope in this thread, suprised its existed this long
Soon enough FS’s buff streak will bring us full circle and we’ll get a thread that’s like “plasma isn’t as strong as X, Y, or Z so buff it please”.
We’re already approaching this judging by the “bolter is better now anyway” comments.