remember when ogryn was able to knock bulwarks on their asses with a punch? it was so much fun but got removed because they rebalanced stagger
if they bring that kind of stuff back it would do a lot towards making it more fun to play without just powercreeping it
40% flat DR while dodging alone, plus ogryn’s tree based DR nodes add in a few slides
Slipped in the one statement I agree with at the end.
Therefore I will!
Big Man’s weapons kinda stale. Paul is good. Pick is good.
If I’m bringing shield I’m bringing a sleep aid. The rest ain’t really doing it for me.
Ogryn is not the weakest, his kit is very good at the moment, except for a few tax nodes and worthless skills.
Most of his weapons are pretty bad tho.
I am a noob, even if I have played a lot.
Because I play to relax, so not havoc for me.
BUT, in every match, when I see we have 1 ogryn, the rest of the team is happy.
We even say to ogryn player: “Big boy, you here, we lucky”, etc.
I think they are still strong.
Which is great and powerful in almost all DT situations except high havoc where DR is as useful as chocolate teapot against high havoc ranged enemies.
Go slide about for a few seconds in the open with gunners about, and without psycher or gold toughness and see how quick you get melted.
I refuse to play with psykers..
Cleaver mobility will get you in just fine. That or you press F and run to the other side of the room without taking any damage and then hit them.
Ogryn has rock that alone makes him best class simple as.
u play with psykers in ur videos man. delete em on youtube first before u say this
Ogryn is amazing, but mostly honest, and won’t give you many “press this button to ignore difficulty spike” options.
If you’re not garbage at fundamentals Ogryn should in no way feel bad to play.
TL;DR issue exists between chair and monitor.
i aint running taunt when there aint a bubble psyker or smoke vet in team. me dealing with all gunners while the other three just watching from far behind? no
this is mask off moment for dornivanotic, you have exposed him
depends on your definition of feel bad to play. it’s not like he underperforms but spamming shield h1 does feel bad to play to me at least
Luckily there are numerous melee weapons for you to use. Who gels with every weapon on every class? Disliking one melee weapon shouldn’t meaningfully colour your perception of the whole class.
just an example, he does have the worst selection and the highest percentage of worthless marks out of any class which is probably part of why a lot of people dont find something they like on him
ogryn just distinctly still has no real variety. i dont wanna come across like i’m doing semantics wars cause the thread does say its weaks but i really think a lot of people who think he’s weak just don’t like the weapons and he has so few of them. guy needs a weapon pack more than another talent tree overhaul
Yeah I don’t disagree with any of that. As you admitted though lacking variety is a different matter to being weak.
OP’s wording and tone sounds like they’re mostly just getting whiplash that Ogryn doesn’t basically pilot itself like some other classes, so I think you’re probably steel manning their case beyond the reality at this point.
Yes Ogryn has weapon variety issues. This probably isn’t the thread to discuss that unless we completely hijack it and ignore the OP entirely.
reading it again i probably did, you’re right
Well, Havoc’s awful enemy gunners really should be rebalanced.
Combined with emperors fading light, the fact that you get instantly killed by gunners if you stop moving for even a moment is not something anyone would find fun.
The fact that it forces a playstyle where you constantly spam slides, and makes Gold Toughness or Bubble effectively mandatory, also greatly harms the game’s overall gameplay.
Point of order: I do, in fact, find it fun, and I occasionally clear H40 without either gold toughness or bubble, and I know people who do that regularly.
The simple fact of the matter is that you just need to, ahem, git gud, and then the “mandatory” crutches you insist on cease to feel mandatory.