Ofcourse, that must be it. Not argueing about imaginary space lasers which is great fun.
You do realise the the lasgun, recon, and hellbore all have the same type of firing right? So in theory just singling out the lasgun for recoil is kind of (how do I say this politely) and absolute silly way to look at things. If you want only one to be adjusted and not the others then you may need to rethink your own arguments.
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Yeah but this is 40k. Bolters are gryojets with brass cases and a melta is either microwaves or fusion or pyrum or something something Jurgen Ferik or idk anymore.
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Slippery slope.
You are not arguing in good faith. Please stop trolling.
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In 40k, perhaps the military affairs department doesn’t even know the specific operational logic of the weapons in their hands.
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This thread is about the Infantry Lasgun. Frankly, the recoil on the others is fine, from a gameplay standpoint. It’s very minimal, which is fair enough. I’ve never been arguing for zero recoil, just less excessive bounce, because it’s (to quote you) silly.
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Or gas in the cooling system expanding.
Some recoil I can see. Recoil comparable to shooting my FN-FAL without the bipod down? Thats a bit of a stretch.
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TECH HERESY
Clearly it’s the machine spirit burping or something
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I like the slight recoil on the lasgun, gives it a nice sense of power/oomph and you are more than capable of adjusting to it like any other gas-powered explosive projectile weapon.
Arguing about the real physics of lasers in something like Star Wars or Warhammer 40K? lol Neither display anything close to an actual laser, because any laser that has enough energy to instantly put a hole through even an inch of human flesh with a single uninterrupted beam would blind everyone within a 1 KM radius.
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Just no.
That is not true at all.
Ok I’ll bite the bait b/c physics is fun:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_safety
Class 4 is the highest and most dangerous class of laser, including all lasers that exceed the Class 3B AEL. By definition, a class 4 laser can burn the skin, or cause devastating and permanent eye damage as a result of direct, diffuse or indirect beam viewing. These lasers may ignite combustible materials, and thus may represent a fire risk. These hazards may also apply to indirect or non-specular reflections of the beam, even from apparently matte surfaces – meaning that great care must be taken to control the beam path. Class 4 lasers must be equipped with a key switch and a safety interlock. Most industrial, scientific, military, and medical lasers are in this category. Medical lasers can have divergent emissions and require awareness of nominal ocular hazard distance (NOHD) and nominal ocular hazard area (NOHA).[21]
Class 4 starts at 500 mW, which is just enough to burn your skin, not even close to punching a hole through flesh.
Whatever lasguns are, they are not actual lasers as the kind of energy required to instantly vaporize a small hole through a person (especially one wearing any kind of reflective material at all) would be mind-boggling, and the amount of diffused light would be extraordinarily dangerous to onlookers- and again that is just the diffused light, not even counting the much larger amount of dangerous light bouncing off of surfaces near the beam’s target.
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So is the “flashlight” we use actually some kind of weakened alternative plasma weapon?
Just like the blaster gun in Star Wars？
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Been a while since I watched theory videos on what most sci-fi directed energy weapons are most similar to IRL, but I kind of remember a pretty fun idea that if you could create a conduit of highly ionized particles between the barrel and the target, you could then unleash a blast of plasma that would be magnetically propelled along that path.
Kind of think of it like a projectile taser, but instead of the medium being ferrous wires, it would be ionized gas (the air).
So tl;dr would be yep basically a different kind of plasma gun lol, one that ironically might even use a laser to create a projectile path.
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I wouldn’t even mind this recoil, if the scope and ironsights actually let you see the game and didn’t give you eye strain.
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Oh please.
Loving the ‘IrL BaLaNcE’ stuff here, since the Machine Spirit comment. So funny, absolutely nothing like the other threads where IRL balance exists only in the minds of individual users. Wwwwaaaaait a minute…
Yes, this game in general REALLY is hard on your eyes. Sometimes that’s just unavoidable - it is a hectic game. Other times it seems intentional.
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TBH any ranged lasgun in game with 70% or more stability is fine to use, maybe get better at using them.
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That’s just about the only thing we can be sure of.
I think the best, most WH40K, way to think of them is that they are very, very high tech, and different “laser” weapons work on different principles. Some, though, use a laser as part of their operation, and as that is pretty much the only thing the tech priests have actually understood for the last 10,000+ years, “laser” is what everybody calls them.
They might be charged particle beams using a laser-ionization path. Try it in a vacuum or near a really intense magnetic field and see what happens.
They may be neutral particle beams that dump the deionization energy into a laser as a secondary damage mode, because if you can make a handheld particle beam, why not?
They might be tiny railguns that use a laser marker.
The most powerful ones might work via warp shenanigans, and the red flash is the Gaze of Khorne.
And a few really are laser weapons.
Oh … And we also know for sure that the recoil bounce of DT’s Infantry Lasguns is ridiculous. I’m glad I don’t have to use them. But I have the greatest admiration for those who carry one and kick ass. Pew-pew!
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My take on the whole matter would be simple:
Make infantry lasguns basically have infinite ammo by default or buff “efficiency” blessing to a level which serves the same purpose
Infantry Lasguns would still be below other guns… but… you could skip survivalist aura, well prepared or shock trooper entirely… and build your vet differently but still be decent at range regardless
The infantry lasgun should be your basic b… gun, reliable, mediocre enough to still pack a punch - without having to worry about ammo. That would be their unique selling point
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Honestly, I feel the lasgun should have all the firing modes in game, both single shot and full auto. Yes there is the recon weapon, but it has less damage, less accuracy than the lasgun. If the lasgun had full auto (as it should have done from the start) it could do the recon’s job with less ammunition.
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