Wishful thinking, I know, but Havoc hasn’t really done anything positive for the game ever since its introduction. Every topic I’ve seen about it has been negative - whether that be its difficulty, or the queueing, or the duct taping to the party finder, or the “three strikes you’re out” system, or penances, nobody has been having fun with this mode.
I tried Havoc 39 and it was a slog of ranged enemies. Progression through the map was abysmally slow. The ammo economy may as well just not exist. It wasn’t fun - it’s nothing like the high-intensity gameplay of auric maelstroms.
Havoc was a mistake and it should be removed instead of zombified.
Havoc 40 is the only thing that some people still play, they got bored of Auric Maelstroms for being way too easy months ago. The high ranks are not intended to be enjoyed by most players, but they do have a (very dedicated) audience.
Havoc is just a total failure…
But, no need to remove. Let’s do like Orthus offensive (= let it die)… one more useless game mode.
What a success!
I don’t know where you live… or what server you use.
My experience si that the number of hosted games has dramatically fallen…
We don’t find 0-25 Havoc and few above that…
At contrary, I play maelstrom every days, and I always get teammates. Same in Auric.
I don’t feel it like you… maybe it is cause I hate this game mode and running a mission on Havoc is just painful for me… And I don’t exaggerate, I see it as really annoying, I would even qualify it a chore!!!
Let’s say it… I want a game, not a work or something that I don’t enjoy. If I don’t enjoy it, I get no entertainment and so… this is not a game for me but… as I said… a chore.
Doing the 25 havoc missions for the cosmetics has been such a chore.
and if it was available 24/7 a day, i’d play it the moment i connect to the game.
sadly it isnt so i put my playtime into whats accessible at my own terms/time instead.
i miss the tense environment but compared to the hussle i need to pull through in order to get some matches, i rather opt out.
plus i aint looking for 2-3 matches a day(on good days) i want to generate content that fills 2 uploads daily for a week when i decide its “play-day”
i’ve proven often enough to be able to finish havoc 40, still the game tries to make it a “rare achievement” rather than normal monday…
well yes, but the deciding factor should be the lack of skill and not some futurama-esque bureaucracy level of hoops to jump through
Yeah I would like to try havoc 40 but I have low patience and sitting around the morningstar waiting on the party finder is just not my cup of tea and the grind up to 40 with randoms and deranking nah forget it.
I have seen some content creators and high end players enjoy it and play havoc 40 every week. I don’t like it personally. I think the mistake made was placing penances inside of it.
But for that group that are super aware of the games systems and play very meta, I think it makes sense for them.
I don’t like it mainly because I can’t do havoc 40 unless I am playing with dedicated skilled players all on mic on the discord. My friends just straight up aren’t good enough. And I don’t want to play chorus duelling sword beacon of purity zealot all the time. I want to play some off meta builds.
Some of the new Havoc modifiers I would actually love to see in Auric. The enemy psykers sounds cool.
TLDNR:
Keep havoc, don’t place penances and rewards behind it to incentivize casual players. Leave it for the ones who truly want the challenge and to suffer (and they do exist). Especially with the upcoming changes that are explicitly stated to make it harder.
being past 45 i usually need my warmup match until the energy drink kicks in.
after that i want to ride that manic high for as many hours my blood sugar level (with refills) allows, until that “lovely” cold burn in chest and head kicks in and signals the end for the night unless i want to start doing "stupidc stuff.
Histg and maelstrom i can fire through ad infinitum, even past “bed time” if i’m on a roll.
havoc?
i grew cold the moment in tried through the party finder.
so basically i start with rubbery reflexes every time:poop: actually counts rather than be “in the zone” and perform at my quake peak of yester-decades.
guess what feeling is more “manly”
although tiny, i’d love to upload 2 havoc40s a day to my channel, heck cant generate less views than the maelstrom stuff right now.
thing is, as a source of content its barred behind such artificial barriers that i rather go for the “reliable” option.
on the upside, i usually beat hav40 with randos and no mic as ogryn, so at least thats “unique”
I honestly think auric videos are more fun to watch because the player can go ham and do wild stuff, videos of havoc are often very carefull and tactical not as fun to watch imo but I’m sure the youtube algorithm has a differant opinion than me.
I record sometimes my games… jumping in middle on an horde with my 2H powersword and killing a crusher with an heavy hit and starting to clean an horde just after is extremely fun and pleasant to watch… but sure… it would a total non sense in Havoc.
(Even just the first 6 seconds are great, hilarious).
But usually you’re right. It’s pretty impressive they can pull this off, even though it is using the cheese of having the game reach the spawn limit and kite them forever.
The question is, how much of the playerbase is this? If all Havoc is doing is providing for a couple dozen Ultrasweats across the planet, I’m not sure how much value there is in that.
Hopping in the game right now and sitting watching for the last 10 mins, there’s literally not a single Party up on the Party Finder for anything anywhere on NA. It’s off-peak time, but the fact that there’s not one single group up doesn’t speak much to Havoc’s utilization.
I can’t speak for other regions, all I know is that there have consistently been multiple H40 lobbies available during EU peak hours, which is when I play. I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone concentrates their Havoc playtime around those hours, though, and don’t bother with the mode otherwise.
I’m all for rolling the havoc modifiers into aurics, but only if aurics are actually balanced to be a challenge instead of a cakewalk. I don’t care a lot for the havoc way of balance because it narrows things down too much and makes too much stuff useless garbage but sans havoc the game caps out at baby difficulty
