A very conditional vet node yes
Meanwhile these 3 are essentially gonna be always active in both best and worse scenarios
Wdym “worse” walk it off? Walk it off is 3.3% toughness per second, skitarii is 3% at worst case (0 charges) and 5.5% at best (5 charges)
its catch a breath and its 5, and having to have charges to produce vet’s effect is part of why their sustain is so mediocre and their tree overall a letdown. such taxing survival before you even get to the abundance of modifier taxes to the destination points on the cog wheel.
and vet’s toughness regen is why they can keep up iron will, but alright.
For what exactly? I am confused by that statement.
tox gas? or do we just pretend that having a character with all ‘replenish over time’ effects standing in gas isn’t a giant disaster for that character specifically. the downside is nothing and you can also tank bursters and overheads on H40.
It does next to nothing vs pox gas.
this is so bizarre to me that I stuggle to formulate any response. How much have you played arbitrator in havoc 40? Have you played a forceful lone wolf frontliner build? The amount of cleave and stagger this class gets can hold a chokepoint off from the world. Shock mines are like the best cc tool in the game that isn’t taunt? Short cooldown knockdowns with break the line, staggering entire hordes of rangers with one push attack, stunlocking armor with the arbitrator maul’s special, electrocuting enemies from ranged with the exe shotgun special, etc. Like arbitrator is the best screener in the whole game, better at it than ogryn 100%, ogryn’s value as a frontliner only outpaces arbitrators in how well you can dive enemies, and taunt’s aoe aggro steal. The easiest boss/captain/twin kills in this game come from arbitrator shock mining a choke point, everyone pulling the boss through, the team goes crazy on the boss in complete safety, while the arbitrator holds the choke point with their horde stunlock combos, btl, and another mine if necessary. This is the sort of thing that skitarii simply can’t match. Skitarii will lose chokepoints to enemy compositions arbitrator would hold in its sleep, I just don’t see where you’re coming from?
I would argue that getting hit for permanent (corruption) damage with no toughness is a thing in the game where it exists, but you do you man. Also removes the most-malded and complained about modifier from the game, course this is me doing a putting myself in the shoes moment since Dukane crashes my game now and I don’t care to find the mod responsible (not a loss)
As expected, you listed pox gas as your primary reason, against which it literally does nothing, I’m just trying to clean up another misconception. Getting hit can be avoided, however, protection against the new “improved” bursters is a VERY valid reason.
Those idiots need to be reverted NOW. Given how often they come in pairs or more on havoc, pushing the first one will often guaruntee second one exploding on top of you, and there is nothing you can do against. Think I’ve lost havoc runs to bursters more than in months combined before.
ok, maybe you should put more hours into skitari? maybe limit test a bit more?, the only thing that i agree with here is shock mine in a choke
hmm i wonder why i had least boss damage in the screenshot i showed you…
that is a single misconception, but I would run it in auric anyway because the downside is nothing and permanent damage sources basically go down to non factor. you can have snuggle sessions with dogs, linger in the gas un purpled and absorb the bursters people hit in close range at all times. I haven’t sat in a nurgle belly in ages so the one time it would work against you you’d still at least not be getting purpled.
I admit i’ve had far less skitarii frontliner time than I have had on arby, so there’s definitely that at play here. My main thing here is I don’t see the vision. I’ll try out your build and see if that changes my mind, but I’d be really surprised if it feels better at frontlining than abry. Again I don’t think skitarii is a bad frontliner but my experience so far has been that arby is just better at it in the ways I value than skitarii is. If there’s any non-obvious but essential techniques involved feel free to let me in on them, I’ll try it out.
There are valid reasons to run it yes, it is certainly a good talent.
No need to beat around the bush, skittles IS a mediocre frontline, if at all, mostly because of the lackluster melee options for this purpose. Arc maul lacks elite dmg AND stagger once you run out of charges, blades have no stagger, and sword is bugged. Your ability to hold space is short lived and very resource dependant, especially compared to an arbi who can do it ad infinitum.
arbitrator is my 2nd most played class in havoc 40,and about a month 2 ago i dropped my ogryn for him because he had more safety than ogryn (in terms of dog, better ranged coverage, shield and maul, specialist killing etc) this class just does everything i just typed better(better sniping of gunners and specials due to the plasma gun, a blitz that gives you ranged immunity for 12 seconds, an aoe “taunt” that when the bug gets fixed electrocutes anything within 12m and disables guns in a 30m radius no matter where they are, that has 10-15 seconds cooldown lol. the arc maul has a good stagger push when powered up, the powered up mode is strong, normal mode decent, you crits electrocute the target which you have either 30.5% or 34.5% so you cant get hit at all if you are hitting, your blitz also has an electrocute in melee range so you can use it for cc as well.) im not even playing the melee optimally im using a light attack spam autoclicker instead of my regular lmb lol. try it and see how it goes
I think those things are coming together to produce a mediocre class. I mean when people are cheering for a bug that’s gonna get removed in a week (maybe longer for sales) and the smite rifle you actually won’t steal much action from players with in auric like other broken loadouts there the package is sort of meeeh. Fun for the larp, excellent voice acting (they even have lines for identifying the plasma gunner enemy? or at least one personality does), unique visuals that aren’t as system pain as arbites, but what do they do? They give up the broken stamina relationship non ogryns have, for nodes like ‘get 25% toughness over time on damage, 10s cooldown’ while scum has ‘get 50% toughness back instantly, 10s cooldown’. Are we just supposed to pretend like these don’t exist? Because the end result is people will pretend Skitarius doesn’t exist. Also we shouldn’t be encouraging the devs to make extremely resource limited weapons that are crit dependent, with no guaranteed crit sourcing. Gambling with the no ammo is not fun (Galvanic).
Depends on build, claw + melee and arc rifle + ranged talents and some electro talents from upper tree is pretty strong or busted, everything else is meh, aside from phosphorus pistol, which best side arm weapon and consistently strong.
think you havent played the class enough, are not confident/aggressive enough
The fact that Phra is agreeing with me and concurring on my exact thoughts on the comparrison does give me extra pause and makes me concerned that I am wrong. I’d like to get some more time on frontline skitty to fully develop my own opinion.
I’m very skeptical of this but I’ll see for myself how well it holds up. I don’t enjoy many types of builds in havoc (basically just helbore vet and frontline arby) and I was hoping skitty would give me an alternative to play. Hasn’t panned out so far but I’ll give it a shot.
this is dumb, have you considered the stronger tools for stagger than just hoping your voltaic doesn’t get thwarted by a jagged rock underfoot, or any cover for the guns? ogryn and arbites CC is obscene and I am totally understanding when I see people queue drop knowing enemies will be rolling around and not executing any moves most of the game. get stuck in, convict/runt
if you enjoy frontline arby you will be supprised and pleased