The Havoc make Range Builds useless with -75% ammo and Pus hardened skin.
It is almost impossible to play normal level like melee builds in Havoc when im a Veteran use Executioner’s Stance or a Barrage Ogryn.
IS THIS GUILTY LIKE PLAYING RANGE BUILD?
So that so many debuff against range wepon in Havoc
I think these range build stand in need of extra ammo replenish apply to these skill even if only act Havoc
Havoc is an abomination. You know what would have prevented this? Letting us choose our own modifiers. Modifiers like the ones you mentioned dont add anything, they just make the game less fun.
I launched the game, debated trying Havoc, immediately decided I didn’t care, glanced at aurics, realized I didn’t want to do auric maelstroms either right now with all of the people going for Havoc unlocks, did a few auric damnation runs, was absolutely miserable with some of the worst team players I’ve seen in a long time like the gunlugger who hoovered up almost all of the ammo on the map, or the zealot duo who just zoomed around while the other two of us played catch up, closed the game after having the least fun I’ve had in it since coming back.
2/10 patch, would not play again. The 2 is only for the new weapons.
Let’s play “Guess who the gunlugger ogryn was?”
If you’re on vet you can easily get away with spamming crutchsword and only use ammo on monsters.
ogryn…lol
Then Executioner’s Stance become useless
And it’s hard to survive without Command orInfiltrate
Havoc make Executioner’s Stance lose even all advantage from other skill
About Orgyn it’s more terrible
You chose to use the less good ult. If you have trouble surviving without VoC you don’t deserve VoC.
Also, las gun crit shocktrooper; recon infernus critchain to efficiently burn enemies to death(including reapers and monsters). And/or lean more on grenades which you have 2 nodes for regenerating.
That’s like complaining about zealot book doing no dmg.
yes ogryn is bad, that was implied
Do you play with Executioner’s Stance in Havoc over 35? You should try it
zealot book has unique role in Havoc. No one can replace it
But Executioner’s Stance does nothing with so little ammo,Havoc make it NO ADVANTAGE from other skills
I don’t; I’m smart enough to not choose that when there is low ammo.
Fyi ranged build doesn’t mean executioner’s stance is a must-take.
Show me on the doll where the Powersword touched you 
I dont think Ive seen a thread where you dont complain about it, regardless of how trivially connected the topic is.
Im a shovel man these days personally, but I dont feel the need to push my kink in every thread 
Projection.
Only you who “push (your) kink in every thread”(or at least you think about it) would see that in others. Then again, I can understand you feeling inadequate compared to crutchsword users.
Don’t worry it’s not you; it’s the sword.
I dont need to be in the lifestyle to call out someone who cant keept their eyes off gal, or to spot trauma. Help is available if you need it.
Maybe go a single thread without mentioning it? Id suggest just appending it to a signature to let your freak flag fly, but this forum doesnt support them.
Thats what i say Havoc make Executioner’s Stance become useless with modifiers in all hight level,so do any range bd need ammo
Range build means little point at melee talent，Trust me,powersword can’t help you at Range BD when you play hight level Havoc
It was already the overall worse ult in regular auric maelstrom…etc.
Nah, many of vet’s dmg bonus nodes apply for both range and melee.
Crutchsword absolutely helps when you lack the ammo and the enemies are numerous(you actually play the game right?) enough + tough enough to get in close range.
Imma be real and tell you I didnt read a single line of whatever you wrote bere, but again Ill suggest maybe try commenting on literally anything other than the powersword from time to time?
You cant charge the powersword rent for the space its taking in your head
Imma be real and tell you I didnt read a single line of whatever you wrote bere, but again Ill suggest maybe try complaining on literally anything other than the crutchsword nerf that many people ask for from time to time?
I didn’t mention crutchsword in partyfinder/havoc threads, checkmate.
You cant charge me rent for the space I’m taking in your head
Havoc makes zealot extremely hard to play, or anything based on melee.
So your ranged build, is the best you can take for Havoc. As usual, the psyker will get the best of this… however, I am too bad as a psyker to play that.
I am really angry at fatshark and their game mode…
(installing RDR2 to replay the game… at this point I am so angry that it is better to play something else… I hate waiting too much, I hate punitive gameplay, I hate rewards behind a wall, I hate the Fatshark initiative that pushed a lot of playesr to pick things they can’t handle like an auric maelstrom…)
Don’t worry, Psyker also gets a malus to his quelling speed… Which doesn’t matter because he quells through various other means, and manual quelling is usually only done quickly so he can do another shot while staying at high peril.
I’m not a big fan of how these Havoc modifiers are designed. Some classes rely way more on max toughness than others, too.
solution?problem is i cant enjoy any range bd in hight Havoc,your answer is use your melee weapon?
if you think this is your solution,i think there is a better solution,Change BD EVEN CLASS
Forget range wepon,forget the problem then no problem is your solution?
yes.
no ammo → melee.
melee kill elite…etc. → get ammo back from aura → have ammo → shoot more → no ammo.
Yes, change build/class depending on map/modifier, isn’t that a basic skill? You have by default 5 pages to swap with. I already told you from the beginning that you chose the inferior ult on your own, that’s a grave you dug for yourself.
btw ogryn sucks but ogryn ranged build has plenty of points to add to melee survivability alongside its built-in melee crutches. (ogryn players being too dumb to use melee and suck up ammo is still skill issue, which is expected in standard karktide playerbase)
