Havoc really should a been a raid

Havoc is effectively Auric Maelstrom wearing a moustache and glasses.

We’ve already got multiple modifiers in Maelstrom, the only thing Havoc does differently is scale stats beyond reason, and attaches a rank system to it, while simultaneously inheriting the same baggage as actual raids do. Specifically, with the lack of matchmaking and the requirements to actually get into a match. “Must have [specific meta setup here]”, “have already completed 40”, “Mic required”, etc. That baggage is only further amplified by the demotion system, and how the game discourages build variety and encourages Chorus Bubble. No FS, the answer is not nerfing them.

Those downsides could have been outright eliminated by simply updating the existing Maelstrom mode to have a wider variety of modifiers including the new ones instead of the somewhat cookie cutter implementation we currently have. Additionally, avoiding the creation of luck based penances based on teammate behaviour such as The Insane would also help. Beating a level without being downed is one thing, but you have no control over whether someone else realizes that pushing at a particular time is a death sentence. Challenges should challenge you, not be based on the behaviour of your teammates.

Havoc feels like the Dev’s wanted to add a raid but lacked the resources to do so. For the difficulty of the mode and the difficulty to even get into a match there’s really no reason to engage with it once you’ve completed the penances.

Let’s be real. By the time you’re completing Havoc 40 you will already be at a point in the game where you have a large surplus of resources and your gear is fully capped out. What use is a pile of upgrade materials when you have nothing to spend them on? Additionally, there’s much easier and more reliable modes to get those very same resources. Why suffer sitting in the Party Finder for multiple hours when you can play the game immediately?

Were Havoc to have actually been a raid the reward could’ve been a new 4th material which would be required in the creation of Red weapons of a higher power rating, or Red tier drops.

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I’d play a 40-man havoc 40 raid

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You’re a loyal follower of grampa Nurgle

The elevator dings - you and the boys are ready to slay some loyalist scum

The last thing you see is 40 Ogryns charging through the doors, behind a hail of rocks like a blast from an orbital flak cannon

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Good, good… so I just have a couple of simple questions for you:

  • Your gearscore?

  • Do you have the “Ahead of the Curve” achievement?

  • We need your parses logs from your 100 most recent Auric Maelstroms.

  • Do you have required addons installed and setup after our guilds specifications: Scoreboard, NumericUI, CustomHud and BuffHudImprovements?

  • You need to be available for Havoc raiding six nights every week for five hours.

  • At least five years of Havoc raiding experience is required!

If you can fulfill these requirement I may have a provisional spot for you in my top 1000 Havoc raid guild.

/s

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Bruh, my Brother-in-law does WOW raids and this isn’t even hyperbole.

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Guilder leads be like:

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and i instantly think of

with ogryns :rofl:

@Wahid
reminds me of the one time i applied for an age of conan raid guild.

dude took an empty instance to guide me through the raid map.
what i thought as the rough gist of boss places and mechanics began with the imaginary first trash mob, its place and direction.

after a 2 hour monologue i was asked if i had any questions :joy:

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Dude gave you more onboarding than most companies will at your new job position.

Not sure if I should be impressed or dumbfounded.

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community too small, can’t get 4 people playing together

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i mean guys were pros, i was a good “conqueror” back in the day, they rightfully took pride in their skills.

was with them a good few raids but in the end i wasnt unemployed enough to be there all the time.

damn :dollar:

life could be so entertaining if you didnt have to sell half of it.

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Oddly enough, there’s been cases in the maincord of people wanted minimum true level 500s to clear really easy maels lmao

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Mfw my +12 vet is the one having to carry in HISG aurics.

Lol true level.

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40 shouty veterans

Good luck taking any health damage

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40 shouty veterans vs 4000 muties, who would win?

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