FS Please say something or rethink your PR

Absolutely. You hit it on the head here. I agree whole heartedly. This is why some of the best masters in the fields are those who practice their craft at home, in their free time, whenever they can.

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I don’t view their excuses as valid. Anyone who is in some special group on the Discord server is not going to give feedback accurately.

Balancing around the whims of a ‘core community’ clearly has not worked. They should be doing something else.

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Then the same can be said about people doing feedback here.

Like the vast majority of gamers never touch forums and such.

No one here has been hand picked by FS.

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Same here: six days a week, 10-12 hours of work; arriving home after midnight and practicing in our home kitchen till 3-4 a.m., then returning to work five hours later.

I have a wife and a son who is now nine years old. I have been a restaurant cook for the majority of his life on this earth.

I changed career to be able to be a fulltime father and husband while also being able to pursue my other interests, but for the past ten years, cooking has been my life and passion.

But It’s challenging to work your behind off for 12 hours, everyone sleeps when you come home, you always work birthdays and holidays and then you have to be the perfect husband and dad for your few off-days when you are tired, exhausted and beat.

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Still remain that the people here all have their opinions, some that people here are quick to push back as trolls (Jackal for example), like how do you reconcile that you want people to give suggestions and be influential to the game, but at the same time have different opinions, that you punish under the assertion that they are trolling.

Taking people that they’ve seen as being people who have given good ideas or feedback and then upgrading to the testers is the way to do.

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Chefs have my respect, my first job was working next to them. Hats off to you! But yeah, you hit the nail on the head here. Swedish culture is very family first, so they really value quality time with their family over a lot of things (as they should!).

But also, to your point; I play really well but can’t code worth a dime. My partner codes AND plays really well, but I think his game design is terrible. :joy: It’s not as 1:1 as cooking is.

I think the pizza analogy still stands though. You work on pizza, eat pizza, then go home and eat pizza. You’d be tired of pizza really quickly, I think.

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I am Swedish :wink:

Yeah I just saw that. I edited my post to clarify! :slight_smile:

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No, that’s how you surround yourself with yes-men and sycophants.

Especially with these devs, who have repeatedly demonstrated that they think bending to community pressure is for lesser people.

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Crafting that doesn’t involve RNG BS.

If RNG is involved in any capacity, prepare for a collapse of player numbers, and in the long term, player trust being non existent putting the success of future projects into doubt.

Nobody wants to play a game that spits in their face as a reward.

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Funny enough I don’t think I’ve ever seen Discord result in any productive changes in some of my favorite games. For instance, in the sequel to Pillars of Eternity, Deadfire, there was some controversy with the game because the developers focused too much on the discord group instead of the other communities which resulted in skewed feedback.

Not sure what it is but Discord tends to breed a different type of discussion that isn’t sincere in regards to critique.

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You don’t want yes men sure, but you want people who can be made to work with. It still remain FS’s game, they are the one that will decide in the end what they want or don’t want.

So the testers job is making the vision FS want good enough for players.

Calling Tellepot a yes men is to a bit stupid. And a lot of the people in this forum I wouldn’t consider to be good tester candidates

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The mere fact that FS is more inclined towards an environment like discord, which is tightly controlled and where critique is often subdued, due to people’s egos running rampart speaks volumes.

The mere fact these forums exist, have threads with hundreds of replies, a lot of them well written detailing issues, and is 99% ignored is the biggest counter argument to the entire “oh no no we DO invite critical people” BS.

Whoever is responsible for design decisions prefers bootlickers and it shows. And the past years of catastrophic ‘progress’ and constant missteps prove just that. There is at least one or several very brittle egos that can’t take a differing opinion.

The entirety of the forum is just a containment pool for people not happy with FS’ bad decisions or lack of communication/engagement.

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I got banned from the Discord server for pointing out…

That they made sure funding TenCents and by proxy the CCP and all it’s human rights abuses, and land stealing was working perfectly ($$$ Shop) and released a in incomplete sh*t storm of a game.

Discord is functionally almost identical to Slack and Microsoft Teams and other world-class communication software where serious work gets done. There’s no reason why it couldn’t be used to get meaningful critique from testers.

BUT I DIGRESS

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Fatshark doesn’t implement most of the things we say, for various reasons (sometimes there simply isn’t enough time, sometimes they disagree with what we think, sometimes desired changes aren’t within scope of any given playtest). They don’t do things based on our “whims”.

But a lot of the coolest and best changes to the game since last summer were workshopped in the playtest environment.

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Most discord servers run by mentally unstable people throwing a hissy fit if you disagree with them buddy.

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Thank you, I miss it every day!

And hats off to you for being a wonderful former CM and for continuing to interacting with us on the forum!

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In other words you just want people who’ll get in line and not apply critical thinking. Oh yeah, this is how we get games like Darktide.

If people are too scared to say the obvious, or voice unpopular opinions, for fear of stepping out of line, then we get crap products.

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