Haven’t people been bitching and whining about and pressuring FS since the Stone Age about the the friggen DS?
I mean damn, I might agree a bit but even still I’m SOOO tired of every single thread having no life try hards whining about that friggen sword.
“Nerf the DS, FS. When are you gonna nerf the DS? Omg no DS nerf? Stupid trash FS nerf the damn DS. Why don’t you listen to ThE cOmMuNiTy and just nerf the DS?”
This whole website is just friggen complaining about cosmetics and the DS.
At this point I hope they BUFF the dueling sword out of friggen spite. And make cosmetics 10x more expensive while they’re at it.
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Soo to get things straight?
Players having this DS Weapon?
It straight up has the best Dmg output with the first Heavy attack. These heavy attack also is the Heavy 1 IT IS ALSO one of the Fastes Heavy in the Game.
Like someone can throw a Kraknade at a Crusher and the time it takes to pull out the nade,throw it, fuse it and then explode. You already killed 2-3 Crushers with that said Sword.
It is also a precise and perfect to hit a Weakspot. unlike Hammer that has a swing that can get caught on something else like an arm.
Then it has the second best Dodge that only the Knife beats.
The Blessing also make it insanely good.
And no, it was already batshit insane op on Psyker alone, dont blame Zealots for it.
Same with the Plasma. Good ammo Eco, you can shoot it forever unlike the Bolter. For some reason it has insane cleave on the uncharged shot. There is no reason to use the Dangerous Charged shot.
And it absolutly does not fit into the Wh40k Lore. It feels more like a Melta Gun at this point.
Like why should Players pick anything else when these two Weapons exist.
But Fatshark is pretty much at fault here for keeping these Weapons so busted for so long as someone in this thread pointed out.
It masten all of you to much on these Weapons. Now ppl gotta learn again how to sprint.
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Basically since it got made available to classes other than Psyker at the end of last year. Not sure if that’s the “Stone Age”, hardly the lifespan of the game, more than a hot minute.
In all fairness…nobody is forcing you to read or engage with such discussion threads.
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Players that would quit over a nerf are not terrorists, they were having fun in the game in their own right, playing a videogame for many is a form of escapism from reality and a way to scratch their itch for violence in a safe and controlled envirorment
you need to accept that not every bloke care about sweating for their damage, and from my pov, a balanced game would be boring and generally uninteresting to play, especially when the weapons in question are supposed to be the best that the setting has to offer
i won’t budge on looking down upon to anyone who cries upon wanting to nerf Plasma Guns and Power Swords
although i’m fine with the upcoming changes y’all behaving like clowns to my eyes
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I don’t understand why so many people get so butthurt over these nerfs when bottom-performing weapons are simultaneously being massively buffed (and as long as the weapon doesn’t go from over- to underperforming).
I would expect natural adjustments to enemy numbers and health too to be coming, and we’ll hopefully see a reduction in enemy numbers with a resulting improvement in server performance.
I have to assume something similar is going to happen to the strongest psyker builds eventually, but as long as buffs are coming to underused weapons and talents, and that something is being done to fix highest difficulty game balance, then I don’t see how this is a bad thing.
The game was already suffering from a lack of build variety and poor server performance due to insane enemy numbers at the highest difficulties. Attempts to fix this should be welcomed imo.
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Actually, if they won’t nerf DS, there will be no review bombing, and those who wanted the nerf will still be playing the game (nothing changes).
But if they nerf it, all they get is hate and lose player counts, while those who wanted the nerf won’t change their behavior anyway.
Most likely, there will be some sort of rework, and a very careful one to avoid PS-like nerf problems.
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Well said.
I’m not somebody who has a dog in this particular fight since I never use plasma gun or dueling sword, but I DO remember the pïss-poor way they handled that power sword nerfing.
We can all offer different opinions as to whether the reactions to the power sword nerf were overblown, but I defy anyone who was there at the time to say it was rolled out well. Additionally, there was a lot less in the game at the time, and getting a weapon you built into the way you wanted took a lot more work than it does now, which definitely contributed to the consternation. On top of that, it was an iconic 40k weapon that was objectively fun to use. The nerf turned into a cumbersome chore. It was shît in the form they released it because of how much of an overcorrection it was.
Thing is, that could have been mitigated by some communication, and a more speedy revision that made it a bit less nightmarish to use. Instead it took them what… Months? Multiple weeks, certainly, before any substantive corrections were made. It’s pretty good in its current state, but there’s no reason it should have taken so long to arrive at that point.
THAT is why nerfs make some of us are so apprehensive and what their loudest proponents seem to forget. Balancing is best handled with a scalpel and in semi-regular intervals, and ideally with some communication. I don’t know where this delusion comes from that anymore thinks FatShark could handle it well. If past is prologue, FatShark goes into the operating theater with a jackhammer, waits like 2 months to fix what they operated on, then goes on vacation.
PS - Sorry @Fingeris, this wasn’t directed at you, I just liked what you said, I’m writing on my phone, and I’m too tired to unlink the reply.
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Players of Coop Games lately think directly to Helldivers 2 when hearing nerfs…
Ignoring the problem that the Devs of Helldiver just nerfed everything.
There where some meta loadouts but the thing was that the Helldivers was in a such broken buggy mess at the start, that only those Weapons worked agains heavy Armor Targets.
Arrowhead then just nerfed those things and as soon ppl found something new against armor they nerfed it too, like flamethrower that got nerfed right befor the Big Flame themed Warbond(bruh).
Devs excuses was to rely more on our Strategems (that where aswell pretty bad)
That why the meme Started to pop up everywhere from Chainsaw man “Sh*t gun” and the guy with a paper writen"Arrowhead is listening".
Non of the Stuff Was OP in Helldivers 2, nothing… that was the sad part.
I hate ppl bringing this Booshow of Arrowhead up in every single Coop game now…
Im just really tired of seeing every single match in Darktide the same melee Weapon in the hands of 3 different Classes/Players because its so brainrot OP that it has pretty sure has a pickrate of karking 80% in the Game.
Seeing a Player without the DS makes me actually pretty happy nowadays. Because they are rare.
The Plasma Gun is a bit different, i dont see it that much as i though i would. Mostly because its a Class locked Weapon and the Bolter/Pistol is just cooler in everyway, even do its never performs that well as the Plasma.
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Then, instead of looking at the nerf to DS itself, let’s take a look at what happened when the nerf to DS was announced.
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Holy brigading batman, all that from one leaked 1st pass balancing rough draft?
Remind me not to deal with the public as a dev again.
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I keep hearing really wild ass takes from other Darktide players specifically saying they quit HD2 because the buffs ruined the game… as if HD2 didn’t have 3 million concurrent players last week.
Unlike me, who quit after they nerfed heavy armor and the heavy machinegun in the middle of their redemption arc last year 
Anyway, duelling sword sucks and we shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists.
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Well it’s been the same complaints since I started coming here for updates on stuff.
And nobody is forcing people to buy cosmetics or use the DS.
It’s like these people want stufffor free, perfect balance all the time, constant massive updates (also free), and they don’t want other people enjoying the game.
I’m sorry, but complain complain whine whine is like half of the commentary here.
I would say if you don’t like the game then don’t play. When I’m bored of the game I go play something else and then come back. What is the need to spew such toxicity at the developers of a game you obviously really like?
Damn. It’s like I’m learning how toxic gamers are for the first time. Nvm. I’ll see myself out.
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Well here’s a random one I translated, remind you of some recent posts?
They don’t care about the suggestions of Steam players, but only care about the comments on their own forums. They weaken Veterans and Fanatics every day, but why don’t they weaken Ogryn? Is it because of the comments of a bunch of racist white Ogryn trolls who say Ogryn is weak every day in the forums?
ed1: LOL 24.8 hours of gameplay time, not sus at all on the following:
Foreigners are so cheap, can you please not match me with foreign idiots? And Fat Shark, why did you touch my duel sword? I will use the duel sword to stab you in the ass tomorrow.
Yep, it’s all “don’t nerf in PvE blah blah blah”
Sweet baby Emprah, where’s that heavy flamer meme?
LMAO most everything is about DS4 and Plasma
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You could say the same about that time Helldiver 2 got review-bombed just because of a mistranslation.
or that time BG3 got review bomb in GOTY incident.
or that time Heart of Iron got review bomb because of a DLC.
I wouldn’t know, I’m out of the loop on that one. Que paso?
But holy, basically every review I’m translating, even a positive one is “don’t touch DS4 and Plasma” and most include “ogryns OP but nobody talks about them” and ofc the other stuff…
I’m gonna stop reading them, seen enough.
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sadly most ogryns i see are still absolute garbage i dont know how but i guess pressing leftclick is super hard
How I wait for the moment when a new meta appears with a new weapon that everyone will have and the hysteria will start again.
Oh my God, can it be faster, the popcorn is getting cold
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This hysteria?
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Well yeah, of course it is… It’s clearly a contentious issue amongst them that use it.
I said earlier that I don’t use either weapon so maybe my opinion doesn’t count for much but… I don’t know man… I don’t have a good feeling about this… And with respect, because I have no wish to have an argument with you or anything, but it kinda seems like you’re being awfully dismissive of the wishes of a bunch of our fellow-players. For all I know, these could be astroturfed and over-inflated, but even if they are, they clearly feel strongly enough to go through all the effort.
I suppose my concern is the possible ramifications this could have on playercount. The power sword nerf patch also coincided with a pretty steep decrease in active players. Call me paranoid.
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I’m being dismissive because this has all the hallmarks of “I want my magic wins”/“Balance doesn’t matter in PvE”, which are fundamentally wrong (stupid) and unhealthy for a game, not to mention boring.
The number of strawmen being erected and torn down is also something to behold, quite impressive really.
Letting these things fester and go unaddressed inevitably makes the game worse for everyone if it becomes an unbalanced mess that’s also too easy. I think a fair number of people, hel most, are still looking for a more VT2 Cata Sweetspot minus the OPAF outliers there like SotT v1+Javelins.
At the end of the day, I’m sure FS will cave into the brigading, and in their shoes, I’d probably do the same as I’d need to put bread on the table. I wouldn’t feel good about it though, but such is life.
I have a hunch any “nerfs” will be extremely mild.
Take an “epic clutch” vid on reddit right now.
It would not have been possible without a DS4(knife?) and that’s a problem. Toning it down also opens the door to toning down the crusher+ spam and bring up old, neglected weapons, allowing these types of clutches with a larger variety of gear and maybe even a bit more challenging to where a clutch is not handed to you on a silver platter because you brought a lightsaber to a medieval duel.
The brigaders’ wishes seem silly and based only on pure ego, with no desire for challenge or sportsmanship. It seems like a very vocal minority trying to make thigs worse for everyone too.
On the flip side I don’t want to excuse or normalize their behavior, so I feel compelled to point it out, they deserve any ridicule that comes their way and silence even as a random internet gamer feels like complicity.
The same goes for a few topics related to this game and gaming in general. If you’re gonna be a lamewad don’t cry when people call you out for being one (cue Reddit/Discord QQ).
FS screwed the pooch on some fronts with DT, but they’re also a talented, caring, inspired bunch that made some great and unique games. They deserve support but also fair criticism, this batch of criticism seems unfair and lame to me so yeah, dismissive of the critics.
People like this typically just find the next thing to move onto soon enough anyway and I’m sure FS will weather the storm just fine, people have very short memories these days.
I’m not angry, I’m disappointed, well maybe a little angry.
Gah, too much typing and poorly structured, sorry, I don’t feel like fixing it.
TLDR lame brigaders are lame, balance good even in PvE, challenge vs ez button win is good.
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