Blacklist and Disabling Crossplay

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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That is not true. You can easy see that when you spectate players if you are downed - PC players you can see that camera snaps, move faster, slower, smooth and generally much more responsive and track enemies better. Controller is PAINFULLY obvious becasue their camera rotates in steady speed, they don’t snap at all and their target aquisition and tracking are much slower/imprescise. Also most of them play with full auto guns becasue that’s the only thing that works for them. Good luck trying to snipe headshots with Revolver or Boltgun or Controller.

There is a reason why Aim Assist has become such hot topic in last years. It’s becasue you either have not enough assist becasue controller will never be as good as mouse or you have way too much Aim Assist (CoD Warzone or Destiny 2 are the biggest offenders) where Aim Assist pretty much plays half of your aiming, sticking like crazy to enemies heads/mass and tracking perfectly horizontaly and vertically. But sadly that’s what many companies do to increase their player numbers in lobbies.

I think Cross-Play should always be turn on/turn off option.

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bad game, don’t care

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hang on. if xbizzle players suck so much why do you have so much experience in watching and analyzing how they play when you’re the one that’s dead? :tipping_hand_woman: lol

:grimacing:

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Some of us watch streamers and can see the game from other players’ perspectives.

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ok, but you DO know that still requires a pc player to be dead while watching a bizzle player, right? lol… oh, wait. that can’t be right. i think you meant to say that you watch CONSOLE players that are only playing with other console players, so that the ONLY perspective that you’re ever going to see is gonna be from console, right? i’m sure :roll_eyes: lol

see, i think it’s these kinds of posts that make it evident that a lot of people are just embellishing how bad this situation really is. some of you are reaching so far and trying way too hard to justify this and it’s just insane lol

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Some players are bad. Sometimes perfect storms suckerpunch someone good. None of that detracts from the fact that gamepad users are massively handicapped relative to KB and mouse. It’s objective fact, and we should have the option to opt-out of dealing with such handicapped players on our teams.

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This is true. I can’t even imagine playing Darktide with a controller, not how the game is currently designed.
Not with the poxwalkers and bruisers attacking you from behind every 4 seconds.
Not with the dodge button being the most important to be spammed.
Not with the massive open, vertical areas.

Many people don’t realize it, but shooters for PC and shooters for console are usually very differently designed for a reason.

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What’s worse is that console shooters live and die by the potency of their auto-aimhax snapping their crosshairs to the target the moment that their control stick nudges things into the right ballpark. That works when you’re playing Call of Battlefield 2023. But in a -tide game? There’s fifty enemies on the screen. I hope the aimhax latches onto the correct one.

There is a REASON why console vermintide has massively nerfed enemies. Fatshark forgot yet another lesson. The platforms and simply different beasts and should not be mixed.

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Adding onto your argument, there is also the level design.

Most console shooters bring little verticality and instead corridor like levels, because for your tank controls that makes the most sense. Keep everything in periphal vision.

PC shooters play with that a lot more, because you can just zip 360 degrees in a few milliseconds.
Take the early section of Silo Cluster 18-66/a, the long staircase downwards where the map really opens up with little cover and you’re faced with a wide, open field of shooters and snipers popping off shots at you. That must be nightmare for console players, while it’s a managable things with mouse and keyboard.

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I agree with most of what Drago is saying, but gpk’s observation is probably correct. I think the learning curve much higher with a controller and with gamepass players in general. There are several reasons for this.

#1 with the game being free, the number of people that min-max or engage with any forum is minimal, like less than 5% of all people on the forum, maybe a lot less. I would bet that console players in Darktide are near 1% of the traffic here and on reddit.

#2 the default settings are pretty bad. This coupled with #1 puts anyone arguing that the average console player can keep up with a below average PC player on weak ground. I posted a guide for recommended day one controller setting changes. It got next to no attention with two people testing it. One of them responded that they were great during their auric match which they lost. These were basic changes I recommended for a brand new player. The other player said they were far too slow. I clarified that I didn’t recommend changing horizontal look speed, that it should be adjusted by preference, and he said my bad. So out of the two people that genuinely engaged with it, one didn’t even read it properly, and the second was playing aurics with near default settings. These are not min-max people.

#3 mods
Fatshark has official support for PC mods.
I can never have a red dot on my revolver.
I can’t add a scoreboard mod to track my performance VS the other players to see if I carried my weight.
I can never attack or battle a monstrosity in the psykhanium.
I can never test pushing a poxburster in the psykhanium.
The last two are especially bad because there is no single player mod for me to test new setups without potentially burdening my team.

Developing skill when fighting a horde or testing a blessing is simply going to take longer, a lot longer. Unreasonable to argue that I can build skill as quickly as a person as engaged as I am playing on PC with mods. If I was on PC with a dot, I’d hit more headshots. Pretty much impossible to argue otherwise, especially with the lack of polish on the controller settings. Well, not impossible, just unreasonable.

There are games with a split playerbase without crossplay that develop the versions in parallel. They look at stats and balance weapons and builds according to the playerbase’s performance. They do not have version parity and make very different choices between versions.

I will disagree with gpk on one point, the massive increase in difficulty has caused the entire playerbase to falter dramatically, not just console players. Since I started peeking in on this thread, I started trying to predict if a player is on PC or console, and I have seen no pattern. Everyone on damnation is having extreme tunnel vision, getting panicked, and generally doesn’t have enough breathing room to even have the opportunity to clutch. They just go down like dominoes. The AI director changes have the playerbase shook and they simply aren’t adapting. If this keeps up you are going to get your wish and the entire playerbase is going to contract.

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Not sure where I indicated this wasn’t the case but that wasn’t my intention.
Absolutely it has caused much of the player base to falter, but the xboxers were already behind so it affected them even more relatively, and yet I find more of them on HiSTG and Mael. But again, that’s not to say you don’t find some PC people like that too.

I like that the game is harder and more punishing of stupid behavior, but it can make for many consecutive frustrating matches with people who are in way, WAY over their heads. It’s a lot more noticeable now that many players overly relied on their teammates to do the heavy lifting.

P.S. My pet peeve: it’s horde no hoard.

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Yeah, I can see that. I still don’t go to the auric board because I’m having enough trouble with regular damnation, especially right now. After I posted the poll that showed more than 50% of the respondents were playing solo aurics, and the two responses from the controller players, it’s not reasonable for me to argue that, in this particular case, they can catch up any time soon.

Also, no reason not to make the blacklist have more entries. 200 would handle most complaints.

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you could argue from the complete opposite end that in those situations the one going down first was trying to make up for others deficiencies and couldn’t carry all the way through.

sometimes even good players can’t be everywhere at once fixing whatever situations unfold by clueless teammates.

it’s instinct to jump into the fray when you see still fixable chaos, but when the dude creating the mess walkes away without even an inch of situational awareness and you end up alone, sometimes that’s it for you.

learned this lesson and rather pick them up later, withdrawing to a chokepoint than letting it wipe the match.

and most of the time those stumbling around show the exact same movement pattern, or the lack thereof rather.

basically it’s a numbers game, where my stance is to rather miss the odd usefull dude in favor of having the majority in places where they are in way over their heads.
if that means 5 minute waiting queue, make that 10 if it ensures a more competent team.

revenue or lifecycle aside, all i need is a private server for 3 buddies and me and were set for eternity. still play the odd deathwing match if i got an itch for space marines.

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Mistakes happen and often times I am dead since I am the only one trying to find crafting material on maps, snipe specials, pick up team and do objectives at same time and when I am dead I have plenty of time seeing the rest of the team failing after that. Thanks to Specatating mode I can often see why my death causes whole match to end - becasue they can’t aim at anything and they are clearly on controller and believe me it hurts seeing they trying to “snipe” any special that is more than 15m away since their aim is like that “aaaaaaqusitioooooooon ooooooof taaaaaargeeeeeeet” instead of just “snap, shot, dead” which you can do with mouse. And turning around… omg…

I don’t play this game enough (I just gave it a chance for 5 days before crafting RNG made be uninstall again) to be able to carry super hard like in VT2, where I have thousands hours.

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Whenever I play with an Xbox player I always start with a positive mindset. Unfortunately, half those times I realize I am playing with the equivalent of a PC user who is a “keyboard turner” if you are familiar with what this term stands for.

Now, that may as well mean that controller design is bad, not that xbox players are bad. Either way it doesn’t matter what the reason is (bad design or bad player) the result is my team has to carry +1 person through Auric Damnation HISTG/Maelstrom

To answer your questions more clearly;
No, we don’t hate xbox players as people. We simply have a bad experience in top difficulties about 50% of the time - but we dont “hate” you if that’s what you need to know.

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Yeah, that’s pretty much it. I’ve been in plenty of games with folks who don’t target things, or who don’t know enemy priority, and most seem to be Xbox players so I get that. Just annoying. I think higher priority missions should be a little more gated honestly

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Just to add context to this, many people disagreed with you and said I was really good. The fact I can play on damnation nand auric with a controller just hurts fat nerd biggot’s feeljngs.

Also, if you turn off crossplay then you wouldn’t be able to play with anyone who has it turned on…which is most players

Edit: my MNK brothers started playing again and he is smart enough to use mods. We play on damnation and auric and I am NEVER last on the scoreboard. I am usually 1st or 2nd

And I wasn’t flipping out lol this is a forum to talk about the game. I have an interest in controller bs MNK discussion. Me calling you a bigot is derived from the fact you are a bigot and not from an emotional place🤷‍♂️

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Huh…an interesting point I hadn’t considered. Is this likely/really how the crossplay/no-crossplay pools work?

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Yes…think about it. You turn off crossplay? I have it on. How would you play with me if I am playing with consoles players in my groups?

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Right, but what if you are PC solo queuing with crossplay on, and I am PC solo queuing with crossplay off? Could we be placed together?