Berserker Monster can't be rolled on charms

Me and a friend rolled our charms a combined number of around 600 times and couldn’t get this combination

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You can’t f0ck around with Nurgloth so easily :smirk:

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Power vs. Monsters does not affect Nurgloth.

He is a Lord with Berserker armor.

Can confirm. I tried rolling this combo for my RV and couldn’t.

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I never tried going for this combo so I can’t add to that bug report, but just out of curiosity: Which breakpoint on what weapon would ever benefit from this combo? Because I thought combinations like Berserker & Monster and Infantry & Armor aren’t ever going to be good; As long as the two traits do not have an enemy they overlap on to add up to 20% against that enemy, Skaven & Chaos is always going to be better because it gives you straight up 10% against every enemy in the game (including all berserkers, monsters - as well well as every infantry, armored one, etc.).

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And if it is indeed Nurgloth you want to spec for, why not just use Chaos & Berserker? That gives 20% against him, as well as a bonus against more other enemies than Berserker & Monster would have given.

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ok so for clarity: we were rolling it for memes

but still it’s curious that particular combo isn’t possible

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I can’t speak for @Incandescent but for me it’s part experimentation and part assisting the random QP group I’m in with berserkers and monsters. I don’t care for breakpoints but I will edit my build in solo QPs because a lot of random players I get don’t know how to handle certain enemies.

@Incandescent I do know that last summer I was able to get this combo before by accident (ofc when I didn’t want it). According to the Wiki under properties, it should still be obtainable as there is no exception footnote listed for it.

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Sure, but if you want to help against berserkers and monsters a trinket with skaven & chaos on it will give you the exact same bonus against those enemies, while giving you benefit against every other enemy as well. Or did you mean you’re intentionally hampering yourself against other enwmies or something?

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the latter, we were trying to make the most scuffed build possible

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Interesting… I could have sworn at one time I had gotten both power vs berserkers and monsters on my charm last year unless it was a bug.

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might be something changed in patches between

wonder if it’s intended or an oversight. It doesn’t really matter since those combos don’t make for anything useful but still

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I do know power vs armoured and power vs berserkers was obtainable on launch. I have never tried to get it since so that might have been removed.

Then again so was power vs chaos and skaven on melee but was ultimately taken away from us lol

I remember there was so much rage after that on reddit lol

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Me and a friend rolled our charms a combined number of around 600 times and couldn’t get this combination

Can confirm - not a possible combination! :sweat_smile:

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lmao cheers for the heads up :laughing:

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But why?
Is there a specific reason?

But why?
Is there a specific reason?

It’s just a design choice.

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I don’t think it’s a good decision because there is no indication nor logic behind it whatsoever.

I have always considered that the slot/item changes between VT and VT2 were an improvement because there were no hidden impossible combinations. I was obviously wrong.

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As established previously in this thread, there’s no situation where this combination offers any unique breakpoints. How is removing a useless combination from the pool a bad design decision? Makes it less tedious to get combinations that actually do something.

Struggling to understand your reasoning here.

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I think it is good that it is not possible to be rolled if its unnecessary. I think it’s bad that you have to go to the forums to find that out.

So you have people wasting crafting materials, not knowing that it is not possible to get that. For whatever reason they want to.

Maybe a list of unavailable combinations somewhere? If there are any more…

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I remember making that thread about the impossible combinations on Charm and Necklace. I was making every possible combination of properties on Charm/Necklace/Trinket.

Back in the day, Fatshark made it impossible to get the combination of “Power VS Skaven + Power VS Chaos” on Charms. This caused an uproar, since people that already had a Charm with those properties got an advantage over those that could not make that combination any more. Fatshark reverted the change not long after that.

I think the other 4 combinations became impossible at the same time as skaven + chaos on Charm. But no one cared/knew about them because of how useless they are, so Fatshark never made those available again.

Personally I think it isn’t a good decision to have impossible combinations, especially when there is no indication that you cannot get these combinations. People that try to get them will just waste a lot of their dust and get frustrated. And while the combinations might be useless, I don’t approve of hand-holding that imposes restrictions in a game. It is better for people to figure out themselves what is good and what isn’t.

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