A Wallhack mod has been released on Nexus, which should be removed

[Headhunter]

@Ensrick

I think you’re probably right, ESP cheats existed for so long that people don’t even need this one, and in that sense, it’s possibly already done damage to the way Fatshark goes about balancing the game.

Yea. It was like around 2000 downloads or something before taken down from nexusmods. Other sites, thousands as well (and still probably exist). This was over 2 years ago, so can imagine by now the total.

Thousands for sure. I still see it mentioned VERY discretely in discord, reddit, comments on nexus mods etc

Removal of the author’s mod in question here will help minimise. But this mod takes 1-2 mins to convert into full map wide ESP too easily, even though his intention was to make it limited range yet still very wide itself already.

@MunKy

The real debate in this thread isnt whether the wallhack is cheating, but what to do about it.

I want a solution that allows mods but also allows people who dont want to play with outright cheaters to play normally with normal ui mods etc.

Yea I would rather discuss solution.

Telling people a mod is unsanctioned without ability to enforce won’t do much.

What people want

• Whitelisting of innocent UI mods
• Blacklisting of cheat mods
• Regular checks to issue takedowns on nexusmods by FS by way of revised software EULA. As obviously community driven cheat tagging doesn’t work in this case. That’s like having someone at FS check weekly as part of their job.
• All without use of anticheat software to reduce impact i.e. Linux, Epic EAC downtime, EAC updates causing issue etc

That’s a really tough one.

[Ensrick]

@Index

“I dont want my casuals to suck so bad, so I’m fine with software improving their lacking abilities”

went in on the politician joke,drop the now since even my time here in hospital is better spend than with the likes of you.

I think you missed a couple things.

First, because the mod can bypass modifiers like Lights Out or Gas and mess with how the developers balance the game, I agree that’s a major problem, and therefore the mod shouldn’t be available to players.

Second, if the only issue was that it makes players more aware than they’d otherwise be, then I wouldn’t have an issue.

What I won’t co-sign is using a medical condition as a shield from criticism, or the gym-alpha posturing with broken English and emoji chest-thumping. I’m not calling you a liar, but it’s hard to believe “hospital chemo rounds, competitive lifter, and forum warrior” all at once.

If you’re really dealing with something serious, I genuinely think your time’s better spent with people who care about you. Forums like this won’t mean much compared to that.

[DeathGuard75]

What an absolute cesspit of an argument.

If you see this behind a wall it’s not going to help you win.

So of course knowing that they are there and can prepare a head of time, isn’t a thing then?

The absolutely dribble of excuses to justify cheats.

[Ensrick]

I don’t think it’s an argument really It’s a mix of exhaustion, and trying to reclaim control of the narrative while bowing out.

To be fair, the hate he was getting is pretty extreme. I mean, comments like “you sound brown”. What drew me to this topic was actually what a cesspit it’s been.

[DeathGuard75]

Cheaters deserve the hate.

[Ensrick]

@Ensrick

I mean, comments like “you sound brown”.

@DeathGuard75

Cheaters deserve the hate.

there’s no nuance left in this thread. It’s not about mod ethics anymore, it’s just moral outrage.

[MunKy]

@Headhunter

That’s a really tough one.

It is indeed. Idk a solution that would make everyone happy except for sanctioned mods that were actually checked every week by FS which I dont think is gonna happen.

The cheat tag on nexus doesnt work because the author can just turn that tag off.

The best solution I can think of is fight fire with fire. A mod that tells you what mods others have on and allows you to avoid people with chosen mods. Not perfect and as I mentioned before, idk the security risks involved, but it would keep everyone happy… except console users.

[Gideon404]

You’re falling for a distraction deployed by the mod author. The brown thing was never a comment in this thread, it was a deleted comment on Nexus that nobody here saw. Along with all the other deleted criticism on Nexus.

[Ensrick]

The solution I think might be fairly simple. Fatshark can probably adjust which Lua scripts are accessible to modders. I’d imagine there’s a few exposed scripts that can be set to private, and it’d be fixed.

@Gideon404

You’re falling for a distraction deployed by the mod author. The brown thing was never a comment in this thread, it was a deleted comment on Nexus that nobody here saw. Along with all the other deleted criticism on Nexus.

I’m aware it was on the Nexus, but it’s the fact someone here condones that, and although I haven’t seen all the posts here, more than a few simply translate to outrage, and in the interest of keeping mods like this out of the game, better to focus on solutions at this point. Most people seem to agree it’s a problem. Even I’ve been convinced, and I don’t have a huge stake in this, nor am I bothered by this form of cheating as much, but I can see how it could impact the game, and probably already has since people abuse health bars to see through walls, and circumvent the game’s intended barriers.

[Index]

@Ensrick

shield from criticism

@Ensrick

you missed a couple things.

ok last time the comes out

you suggested pvp, which i did plenty when i was younger.

got no shame admitting I won’t cut it anymore in quake live or champions, bf 5 was the last I really monitored steady, daily progress and called it quits at one time.

you suggested sports, which i did plenty.

and my english can hardly be so broken for you to conveniently ignore the timeline I mentioned.

at 45 I got not nearly the physique from 30 years old, which albeit good was not huge as in stage-huge.

I did what I wrote, trained to the max and got results.

lastly a little “companion” for the next 3-4 weeks

that thing ain’t a shield I can tell you, but a constant reminder that if one can play a game under these conditions perfectly fine without any wallhacks, what’s the users excuse except “I suck badly and cant stand it” ?

@Ensrick

Forums like this

and the chill ones participating, help pass the time, and for the “others”, they in another way as well

criticize all you want, simple fact remains this here forum is for darktide, not sports, not pvp, you wanna discuss those, go bonkers in the appropriate environment.

if people need a cheat in darktide there’s no excuse from getting called a cheater.

its not a helpfull “tool” for the oh so overwhelmed casuals, thats what all those lower difficulties are there for.

people “lack awareness” in auric maelstrom and havoc? they belong to malice and lower, period.

not getting tools shoved up their bum pretending to be what they’re not…

anyways, last time came out for this conversation, must tell the nurse to go easy on the cortisone

[Ensrick]

That does indeed look like a real picture of an infusion pump system. I stand corrected.

@Index

that thing ain’t a shield I can tell you, but a constant reminder that if one can play a game under these conditions perfectly fine without any wallhacks, what’s the users excuse except “I suck badly and cant stand it” ?

@Ensrick

Forums like this

and the chill ones participating, help pass the time, and for the “others”, they in another way as well

criticize all you want, simple fact remains this here forum is for darktide, not sports, not pvp, you wanna discuss those, go bonkers in the appropriate environment.

It’s not that I want to criticize you; we’ve already reached an understanding on the topic. I was just in disbelief, honestly. I’m more than a little surprised that someone who’s 45, has done competitive sports and lifting, and is dealing with a life-threatening illness is here on these forums and this passionate about Darktide.

I spend too much time in my home office; I work here and play here. I’ve got a family, errands, and I hit the gym mostly to stay in shape because aside from that, I’m sitting all day. The kind of people I know who typically invest time in forums and games are not going anywhere near the gym.

I’ve played sports growing up and as a young adult, though never at a high level, and a lot of Counter-Strike. The mastery and competitive pressure in both sports and PvP games are on another level for people who enjoy that. Darktide’s different to me. It’s a game you can probably master within a few thousand hours, and it’s really built around co-op and teamwork. I find it a much more casual experience overall compared to many PvP games like Quake or Unreal Tournament or CS.

But you mentioned you’re 45. I’m 35, and even I don’t have the same reaction time I did at 25. So I can understand why (chemo aside) you’d probably be done with those by now.

I apologize for being an ass earlier; and sincerely, good luck with the chemo.

[Headhunter]

@MunKy

@Headhunter

That’s a really tough one.

It is indeed. Idk a solution that would make everyone happy except for sanctioned mods that were actually checked every week by FS which I dont think is gonna happen.

The cheat tag on nexus doesnt work because the author can just turn that tag off.

The best solution I can think of is fight fire with fire. A mod that tells you what mods others have on and allows you to avoid people with chosen mods. Not perfect and as I mentioned before, idk the security risks involved, but it would keep everyone happy… except console users.

Don’t think a lot of console players using this forum. If it became wide spread then they’ll probably ask for cross play toggle themselves.

[Index]

thanks mate in earnest.

no need for apologies, aint thin-skinned just passionate is all

but truth be told that passion doesn’t stop at one thing, it translates into the stuff I love (and still can right now) doing.

pvp is out the window as well as going to the gym (and honestly I was lazy and gaming-focused way ahead of having to drag this around with me)

for with all the stuff needed, there aint much lifting left, hence effort/reward would make little sense both in time (the most valuable of ressources) and gym fee.

now, where does it leave me when picking a new favorite game?

of course going “ham”, buying a then new rig for darktide to run proper (saved funds from no gym among others ) and playing like the good ol days.

and what never sat well with me in any gaming environment?

cheats and cheaters.

one is absolutely correct in ped use in sports being cheating as well, the difference is one “knows” what’s at play at different weight levels so this would equal the suggested mod of showcasing who runs which mods.

and I never denied at any moment in the gym or in serious discussions/questions that I didn’t train natural anymore at one point.

in return I “expect” something similar when it comes to performance ingame and its “source”

mods are essential, never would I play again vanilla ui, without latency indicator or other stuff like true level, who are you and scoreboard.

heck if there was a way to get rid hitmarkers I’d mod them out just for clarity of vision.

the difference to me is all these things don’t push me past “my station” if anything I fkked up and lost track of my mates in the last havoc 40 match, doing no player outlines cause in auric maelstrom they’re an useless eyesore to me.

wallhacks and healthbars, both used in high level play to push past a plateau or low level casuals wanting to fake their way upwards and make up for lacking fundamentals are the bottom of the barrel to me.

both in taking options from others (big or small dont matter to me) in terms of enemy engagement and map traversal and essentially wasting the time of those wanting to push themselves “legit” and this as a benchmark for their deficits.

cant be in a deficit compared to a cheat tool, only grow compared to a better player, is my take on the matter.

[Index]

@Headhunter

they’ll probably ask for cross play toggle themselves.

correct me if I’m wrong, but aint us pc folk the only ones without an “opt out” of crossplay, other than the “who are you”mod and “nope” at the sight of 3x console <lvl(not havoc)40 in an auric maelstrom lobby, rocking green gear?

sometimes, sah ogryn back hurts too….

[Headhunter]

Ah you’re right. My bad they actually do have the option!

They wouldn’t be happy if they knew their team mate has Predator movie level HUD

[gpkgpk]

@Gideon404

You’re falling for a distraction deployed by the mod author. The brown thing was never a comment in this thread, it was a deleted comment on Nexus that nobody here saw. Along with all the other deleted criticism on Nexus.

Exactly this, there was 1-2 racist PoS comments that the cheat mod author is using as a cover for him deleting valid normal critical comments.

It’s just another trick in the bag of dirty tricks.

Quite frankly, given cheat mod author’s track record and being busted here for sockpuppetting and astroturfing, there is a non-zero chance those comments were fake too (F12 is super ez).

[gpkgpk]

@Ensrick

there’s no nuance left in this thread. It’s not about mod ethics anymore, it’s just moral outrage.

Gimme a break, they absolutely deserve the hate as they ruin games, giving them a free pass and falling for their tricks makes their defenders chumps.

Most recently their kind have ruined many BF6 matches, after nearly a month they put in a bandaid fix for one breaking exploit, but the other persists.

Just last night a squad of BF6 cheaters was using the other exploit to rain down destruction on us, I left the game when I noticed after having invested over 15-20 mins, others did as well.

Cheaters deserve the hate while bigots (if they were real) can go F themselves too.

Y’all giving the cheaters a pass are part of the problem.

[Index]

@gpkgpk

Just last night a squad of BF6 cheaters

seeing footage on youtube of legit high level gameplay was kinda tempting to dip my toe back in,movement speed n all.

but with the follow up videos exposing cheats and unashamed cheat creators bragging to unban themselves even when caught…. nooope, not with a ten pole…

[Ensrick]

My issue isn’t with calling out cheating; it’s with how discussions like this often spiral into personal attacks and hostility. Whether you think someone is cheating or not, it’s possible to condemn the behavior and push for better enforcement without normalizing hate toward individuals.

One of the reasons I quit PvP in CS2 was because of cheating. I could avoid it using Faceit and that was pretty much the only way to get a fair match or even an accurate ranking. Once I switched to exclusively to Linux for a time before also getting Windows for gaming alongside a number of Linux distros. While on Linux, I couldn’t use Faciet because it requires kernal-level anti-cheat and so I gave up because above a certain rank, it was literally just cheaters, and nothing else. It’d literally be lobbies of people using aimbot vs aimbot, and they’d kick you if you didn’t use an aimbot.

I know what it’s like to have cheaters, and get accused of cheating just because someone else sucks at the game. If you weren’t using the 3rd party matchmaking services, then people would just assume you were cheating if you got lucky.

I don’t know if it’s just because the Darktide community is bigger, and Vermintide 2 is smaller and quieter now, but it seems like so many discussions on this game get so much more heated, moreso than even politics or religion, which is one of the reasons I popped in with that initial joke.

@gpkgpk

they absolutely deserve the hate as they ruin games

Maybe so, but I’ve just never seen that mentality is helpful. That’s what I’d refer to as moral outrage. That’s one of the reasons I don’t use social media outside of forums like this or a few select discord gaming communities. They can become incredibly focused on moral outrage over an issue instead of constructive and helpful. I get sucked into it too.

And then at the end of the day, you step back and realize, it’s just a game. It’s not worth encouraging hate of any sort.

[silentbob515]

@Ensrick

it’s with how discussions like this

Well the discussion like this needed to be locked 20 days ago, with pinned topic explaining how ESP is indeed a bad thing and shouldn’t be used, while also detailing whats gonna be done about it in the nearest future…

Someone i shall not name is acting like if they got heaps of respect to waste and can easily afford to lose some. They are sadly laboring upon a delusion!