For all we know the dude you quoted could be a sockpuppet too, you may be one, Hel, I’m not sure I’m not one, goo goo g’joob.
Seriously though the quoted blurb has to be sarcasm, or based on one single reply as you said, SMH. Are people ONLY reading the last posts or none and chiming in without the “I haven’t read X” disclaimers?
How exactly is not liking to play with or against cheaters an insecurity !?
It would never be implemented as is as an accessibility feature, it’s very only one in passing. For starters, a proper accessibility version would neither be this precise or granular, the mod author deliberately made it an ESP cheaty mod first and foremost.
One example, the “pulsing” on the edges of the screen would show color-coded steps in that general direction, an you couldn’t for instance set to only show disablers because in-game you cant mute lesser threatening mob sounds etc.
and here I am, well not actually at home but present in spirit 
, wanting to turn off hitmarkers for good for I hardly need them anyways and they’re an eyesore ever since half life(?) made it a thing.
doom-guy didn’t need no pesky marker, doom guy marked 
imagine with “swagger-voice”
aaaah, the insecurity card 
ever eager to get pulled when wanting to put competition in a bad light.
oddly enough even monsters on stage like rühl had to a point “bigorexia”
when I fact it can help surpass what others deemed “impossible”
so while not everyone is content being a buddhist monk sitting on the floor, others aspire to something higher and that requires never to settle for your current or even your “max”
if that’s the definition, I’m as happy “insecure” as can be when I see continued progress 
that being said the whole reason such progress can be measured is against even odds, not some wannabe haxor with a cheat list longer than a cheap hookers std diagnosis.
An even bigger problem. I’m not a modder, means an average person can do it too.
This mod has set the basis to convert into full map ESP too easily. Took me few mins.
I tested using solo mod, so no other players.
Will it make Havoc 40 easy mode? Nope, not even close.
But in Quickplay you don’t have to deal with boss/monstro spam, so that means you can comedy sneak up to worst case crusher pack and drop volt mine at their feet like a pickpocket, viola most fearsome enemies in quickplay negated for 20 secs.
Lights out, pox gas, smoke, sniper spam - vision impairment of short/long range negated.
Able to choose mission split path of least resistance
“Veteran has this ability”. Sure it is few secs, but not 15-20 mins.
You can prepare dodge tangent based on incoming muties directional path you can’t directly see and control heavy wind up contact point before they even see you.
Pre-aim at specials for corners and the know the time point they will become visible and line up head shot level too.
ESP won’t win Havoc 40 games. It does break Quickplay.
Problem
Even if FS revised their software EULA and enforced on nexus mods. I saw comment on reddit, discord and nexus comment on their website of another mod hosted elsewhere out of reach of FS control. Assume then it’s a zip being passed round in hundreds by now.
I play PvP online games and I don’t know of any that allows even UI mod. A mod is cheat mod in the eyes of anti-cheat. It can’t differentiate.
Things like NumericUI, Scoreboard etc if integrated and then use of anti-cheat? Who knows impact to Linux users. Also Epic EAC goes down, the game will crash even if AWS is working. Rare but additional point of failure. It happened recently for VT2 last week.
Things to think about.
I’m not siding whether or not anti-cheat is solution because it can also introduce technical problems. VT2 technical subforum has history of this.
It is very challenging to formulate a solution to block certain mods and still let people load UI number/icon placement mods.
You know the answer to this question.
Absolutely agree. As is it’s way more effective than audio cues. I was saying the idea of converting audio to visual indicators for hard of hearing is something I’d support as an accessibility feature. Minecraft has a simple “Footsteps >” indicator for example, and Dying Light just pulses the side of the screen (left, right, or bottom) to indicate where noise is coming from.
Dear God-Emprah…wow.
Sockpuppet?
P.S. Awww, the 1st time post I replied to has vanished, bummer. I personally think it’s better to leave them up for all to see.
Yeah I mean this exact tangential topic came up before more than once.
The TDLR: the ESP radar mod initially resembled more of an actual accessibility mod and could have been easily tweaked to be more of one, instead deliberate choices were made to be a straight out radar which shows what the intention was all along.
Should be in an ingame indicator that shows who has a modded client so people don’t have to play with cheaters since Fatshark refuses to do anything.
see my idea above.
it’s not so much that mods=cheats 100%, I’m using them for minimal ui, scoreboard and latency for example.
but I’m more than willing to have a symbol next to my tag that shows I’m using.
the gain one would have is taking indicators of very fishy stuff on a confirmed mod user and have an affirmation of sorts, hence block list in the worst cases is my proposal.
Wow… that’s really something. And you get all that from a casual co-op video game? If this isn’t some kind of parody or something, I’m guessing you could probably find a much better competitive outlet. Maybe like a sport or PvP game.
Anyway, friendly competition is great, but what I was referring to specifically is when people in a co-op game become toxic over being competitive. For example, the people who fixate on the mention of insecurity without naming any individuals, and don’t really address anything else I’ve said. Very eager to prove themselves otherwise, and it’s just sad.
And that was only a small part of what I said. For my part in this discussion, I’d agree this mod meets the criteria of a cheat, but it’s an info cheat, and in the context of a somewhat casual co-op shooter that people master within a few thousand hours, compared to an e-sports competitive FPS, getting free info doesn’t bother me personally.
The only thing I want to know is why is this cheat mod so bad? I really don’t see how it’s going to trivialize the game. Is there not a permissible level of cheating in a co-op game?
Calling any kind of modding cheats is the other extreme and doesn’t solve anything.
last time I checked my 5 IVs pumping the last of the chemo for 24 hours on repeat and what will follow be a 6 month recovery after stem cell replacement, no my multiple myeloma wasn’t “parody”
so who are you to judge what people take their pride from?
personally couldn’t wrap my head around the hype for soccer for example but some people seem pretty proud of playing it, kicking a ball into a net. so
at 45 i’ve broke my fair share of pvp competitors when I was younger to the point of being barred from local tournaments.
having a pve game close to the gameplay of yonder and with 40k flair no less is reason enough to dive all in.
like I said, been there, done that probably 20 years before some of you folks production date.
sports, hit the gym, did the roids, lifted with the big boys, body hit its limit before my mind ended a set.
had a good physique to show for, so ?
and what will never seize to amaze me, you’re on a darktide forum, for what?
trashtalk the players? suit yourself.
bash the game? go nuts.
but to me, here on this games platform, you could be second Albert Einstein, if you suck and cheat in the game, you’re not worth the dog 
under ones boots.
none, zero, zilch.
enjoying what? running along with some randos that use cheats to keep up?
some people dont play for the “cumbaya” “I participated” experience but to improve.
never heard anyone complain after clutching and saving a match either, odd.
edit: as to not turn this into a sob story, the thing with pride is one has to accept his limitations with time.
I fought and won and am still fighting way bigger fights than an online game.
but hell freezes over before I catch myself slacking in something I set my heart and mind to, be it hobby or otherwise.
this dedication is not negotiable, else one could skip ahead and kick the bucket right aways, sounds like pretty boredom anyways
Yeah, sieze to amaze, very impressive. I’m sure you’re a big boy.
This is a casual co-op game. All I can say is, perhaps your passion is misplaced in this case. If you gave this speech before a professional match, first I’d wonder if you suffered a concussion, but I’d understand. In the context of a darktide walling mod, I’m holding back laughter.
As I said before, because they don’t trivialize the game. I sincerely doubt being able to see 20 specials through walls is going to make the game significantly less challenging. In situations where there’s a few isolated specials that they normally wouldn’t see, like a sniper, or a demonhost it’s giving them awareness. Generally, it’s more of an issue that players lack awareness, so compensating for that is no issue to me.
To me there’s a massive difference between ESP cheats in a co-op game, and giving unfair advantages in a competitive, or cheating in ways that ruin the challenge. I just can’t imagine scenarios where this would trivialize the game.
Its not a coop game for casuals. If it takes several thousand hours to master then thats above and beyond what most people spend in any game. Most casuals barely make it past Heresy.
And please dont devalue peoples choices, it gives off “computer games are a waste of time” vibes. Not cool 
Search this very thread for “skill issue” scroll up to less than a day.
So…anything I lack I should use a mod to do for me?
I also can’t hear these frequencies, but they seem to exist. Just because some of you don’t benefit from the cheaty mods doesn’t mean others do, and greatly.
As others said, if you cheat in such a way, it devalues the investment the players you play with put into the game. Not only the investment they spent learning to master the game, but as was pointed out before, the investment they spent with their talent points. For example, a veteran who spent talent points on letting allies see special highlights is instantly devalued by this. That the veteran decided to be a teamplayer and support his team in a co-op game now doesn’t matter because you (in this hypothetical, of course) decided to install a wallhack so you can see them anyways + more.
It feels bad when you play a co-op game and your helpful talent point investment is nulled by a cheat mod.
I don’t think the mod devalues player skill or talent investment. Veteran bonuses apply to highlighted enemies, but also give a bonus against all highlighted enemies. Giving less aware players more information just makes them better teammates. As long as it doesn’t boost damage, toughness, or alter core gameplay, it doesn’t undermine the challenge or competition; it simply improves coordination and awareness.
Personally, I wouldn’t use it because it breaks immersion and adds unwanted visuals. I’m a purist when it comes to the game’s atmosphere and visuals. I hate too many UI things on screen. I like to use sound and detail. I don’t even like the way tagging highlights enemies, or how you can see a crappy x-ray of a player through walls. I use mods to turn off things that get in the way of experiencing the great sound design and visuals. My favorite one turns off all the dialogue. I like minimal HUD. I like to turn off the tagging visual effects too, and awful player x-ray.
With 3.7k hours in Vermintide 2 and a few hundred in Darktide, I’m confident in my ability to play, and don’t feel threatened knowing others might use such mods; if anything, I’m glad some of the more casual players are doing something to maintain awareness. I don’t require that they invest the same level of skill. However, if they were using godmode, or giving themselves insta-kill, or any cheat that grants benefits beyond ESP Cheats, I’d view that very differently, as it potentially can ruin the challenge.
The challenge that comes from being aware, or from visual obstacles isn’t something that concerns me. If it does bother you and others, I can’t blame you, but I also have trouble relating to that. I mean when you’re in a game, and someone is using ESP mod cheats to see everything, do you notice? Does it ruin the game?
