Asking here because no way in Hel am I diving into the 40K subreddit.
So, anyone who feels even the smallest pride or satisfaction in slaying Lucuis the Eternal will be taken over by him & changed into him.
Sure, ok.
But what if…
What if the killer is an Aeldari?
They control their emotions to not be eaten by Slannesh, right? Would Luc be perma-dead, then, if the the killer felt no pride or pleasure over the fact?
What if the killer is assassinated right after?
Like, what if you hired someone to fight Lucuis the Eternal, and then hired someone else to snipe the hired killer right after he wins?
Did the first killer already count as ‘Lucuis’ right at the moment of his victory? Before there were any changes?
Would the sniper now be Lucuis? Or, if the second killer felt no particular pride or satisfaction over sniping someone; Would Luc be dead?
What if you were able to capture ol Luc?
I mean, the fact that he can, and has, died many many times means he’s beatable.
So what if you were to capture him? Chain him up, maybe cut off his arms and legs. Then program a servitor to snap his neck or rip out his throat at some random time in the next 3-6 days, then dispose of the body out an airlock, without informing you.
You did not know WHEN he died, so you would not feel any pride or satisfaction at his death at the time it happened. And Servitors don’t have emotions.
Exterminatus
What if ol Luc was on a planet the Imperium decided was too lost to save, but they had no clue Lucuis was on it?
Luc would end up melted to sludge or baked with the planet’s crust by a crew who would feel no pride in killing him, because they would not even know he was there.
These were just thoughts that popped into my head while browsing the 40K wiki.
It just seems like Lucuis the Eternal has many, MANY ways in which he could end up ‘Lucuis the Ex-Living’.
It’s almost entirely at the whim of Slaanesh. Apparently, Lucius came back from stepping on a mine through an assembly line worker working at some factory in some random hive feeling satisfaction at a job done well.
Lucius is Eternal because he is Slaanesh’s plaything and rules don’t matter until Slaanesh gets bored of their toy.
Huh, so as long as someone feels satisfaction at some part of anything connected to Luc’s death.
So a crew feeling satisfaction over exterminatus-ing a planet means someone would become him.
It’s far from the worst stuff 40k has put out. The dark horror of a mythical warrior from a time of legend possessing the body and soul of a factory worker doing their soul-crushing drudgery of daily factory work for something as mundane as simple assembly of a munition can be a cool story.
40k lore gets so much dumber.
Almost literally anything related to the Space Wolves for example.
The faction that brought us a character named Canis Wolfborne, Wolf Guard and Champion to Wolf Lord Harald Deathwolf. He wields Wolf Claws and rides a Thunderwolf named Fangir into battle, wears a Wolftooth Necklace and Wolf Tail talisman, and bears the Saga of the Wolfkin. Canis is also known as (or has special rules called) Growlthroat, AKA Fangrider, AKA Lord of the Wolfkin, AKA The Wolf King.
Lmfao. One of the reasons 40k is so good is because of how stupid it gets.
I don’t understand how some people can take it all 100% seriously all the time. Seems like they were only introduced to it through the serious parts and conveniently ignore the silly.
The space wolves literally drink their geneseed like it was caprisun then turn into werewolves i have little hope for them already but lucius went from good to bad to what.
like fulgrim gave him his old sword after transforming, saying it had bits of the daemon’s power left in it. that was before shattered reflections before they retconned the daemon possession.
i think making him a lesser daemon prince or something would have been better than a pesudo perpetual
There maybe some satisfaction of the second kill, it being method of pay, the reassurance that you completed a job may even corrupt. I’m sure warp shenanigans will have it play out in Lucius benefit regardless of technicalities. Could also be the overarching ploy to get this done seems a bit excess in all regards, the obsession could lead to the puppet master being tainted and then killing the second assassin.
Exactly, this would be my take. Try and capture him. I would say that Lucuis is a creature from the warp and spends a lot of his essence “trying” to die. The goal of the capture is to keep him alive. Find a way to trap his essence much like an Eisenhorn and Cherubial relationship.
But there would be satisfaction or pleasure knowing it was you who captured him. Created and executed the plan, the warp will find you.
I disagre, and yes I know I’m the minority. I Think the William King books are some of the best 40k experiences. Ragnar is one of my favorite 40k characters.
For me, I think the suspension of disbelief is broken when some of the Space Marines/Imperial agents have over the top fights. Like underwater grenade battle with sharks(from a space wolves book no less) or Surviving in the vacuum of space while holding onto a space ship. The Ravenor series has a lot of dumb moments and Cain. But thats why we love all this stuff. I mean just look at Orks. Dumb is what makes them fun!
Well considering AI has been abolished and it’s a literal lobotomized skull you have to coerce to do things, I think the praying to appease the machine makes a lot of sense. I absolutely love admech!
With Space Wolves it’s not just the bad ridiculous naming/writing, it’s that they also can’t decide what they want to be and are a radically different faction depending on individual story, often in directly contradictory ways. Their pendulum swing between grimdark srsbzns and ridiculous absurdity is a bit much to deal with. The ridiculousness can be fine in some instances, as with Orks, but with the Space Wolves it just doesn’t stick with the rest of their lore, and ends up feeling more like cringey fanfic when put alongside the rest of their background.
We’ve got Space Wolves lore where the chapter/legion wants to be the dark brooding executioners of the Emperor who are clinically tactical, plan out everything in detail, put up a fearsome visage of wild fury to fool their enemies, and who will without hesitation strike their brothers or mutants or deviants if commanded, who were willing to persecute and destroy the Thousand Sons for use of warp and violating the council of Nikea.
At the same time, it’s cool that their own Runepriests, who totes just harness the native power of Fenris and definitely don’t dabble in sorcery, are absolutely not the same thing at all…totes. When the Inquisition decides however that the population of Armageddon has been tainted by the war against Angron, they use every weapon in their arsenal to fight off the Inquisition and Grey Knights and Imperial Navy to help all the civilians…get away. Meanwhile, in much of their lore they still actually are those brutal bloodthirsty savages they just pretended to be elsewhere, who party hardy and crash thunderhawks for giggles while drunk and who often turn into actual werewolves, and where they fire artillery…by smell, then rush their valuable artillery platforms forward directly into the enemy so they can personally observe the results.
That series was actually pretty solid. I really liked that version of the Space Wolves. The older SW stuff was great without being so over the top. The 30 year old lore for Ulrik the Slayer is great, where defeating a whole three World Eaters himself in single combat was badass enough to cement credibility without needing to be absurd or ridiculous. Unfortunately those books and lore are 25/30 years old and most of the subsequent Space Wolves lore has been abysmal
That’s just always been his thing since introduction in IIRC the 2003 CSM 3rd edition codex.
I think that might just stem from the same problem that Star Wars has now, too many different writers with varying levels of skill and understanding of the source material.
Turns out that writing is hard. Can’t just hire any shmuck off the street. But the content farm has to keep churning doesn’t it.
I can agree here. I really liked Storm caller but it was more about the sisters and the Imperial agent protagonist that got me going. The 2nd and 3rd book get a bit ridiculous, specifically with Njal and his whole being able to fly like neo from the matrix stuff that happened on the Space Hulk.
Still yet, the fun part to me about 40k universe is I can drop that book/faction/series (space wolves or not) and find another to comb through, then come back later.
i hate it here bro