I think i’ve said it a few times.
yes, its the same with ogryn shield, the guys who do 800k damage a game never block, they just spam those heavy attacks the whole game
you are going to get 100 to 200k less than an ogryn shield dedicated build, but its more than viable
every weapon is viable. I just think its a shame these shield weapons suffer in the name of “defensive” capability. The post title is hyperbole.
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you can see it as them having more cleave and impact than most other weapons makes them more safe to play, the heavy shield bash being the protagonist of the story
with no impact talents or blessings you have enough impact to make reapers stop shooting at you, and thats enough to make it a defensive weapon
The defensive utility of a shield allows for much more reckless positioning and play.
You do not have to care about positioning when you can stagger your way out of a Crusher clowncar. You can be much more aggressive than your typical low stagger, low Cleave, high DPS melee.
Also the only way to lose missions other than Rolling Steel is if everyone gets downed. If you don’t get downed then you can’t lose, and if you can’t lose then you’ll win. Simple.
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Yeah, i think what really kills me is the shield + maul blessing pool sucks. Wish it had skullcrusher. I think that would make me pretty happy.
They don’t.
New shield/pistol and shield/mace are absolutely busted in Havoc.
Not only they have a high damage compared to many other melees which take 10+ hits to kill a single Crusher, but they are also one of the best defensive weapons.
ye i dropped mace and shield for mark III shock mace because its slighly better in the end, many play it with Crusher, but that weapon just doesn’t click for me
a power weapon that’s meant to be played unpowered will never be my jam
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Yeah Im not following man, the shield is a killer weapon offensively and defensively, and Im probably never changing it for something else
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do not go together.
The shielded maul trades a bit of DPS for massively higher defense and safety.
The shielded shotpistol trades ranged DPS uptime and carapace damage for the ability to fire from cover anywhere on the map.
I’d suggest trying out @Reginald 's suggestions as they have been a great starting point for my builds 
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Shockmaul and shield is extremely good. Quickly became one of my favourite weapons.
unfortunately mk11 has a substantially lower damage profile
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