Dunno why exactly old Krubs would though. I sincerely hope that the whole stupid accent thing was just a joke in the Lohner’s post.
They explained it in the stream. Because it’s kruber and he tends to “overdo” it sometimes.
Not to say he will speak with a stupid accent. He just get some sentences where he tries to speak bretonnian (or in a more bretonnian manner).
Yeah, all this is especially silly and random when we consider that the Empire and all its geography and naming conventions are derived from real world Germany but somehow literally everyone in the game speaks English. Even freaking Skaven and Northlanders.
Why not convert them all to German first and then try to bend the lingo consistency line then?
Because it is all translated to english for the audience.
In (their) reality, they all speak native Warhammer languages, like reikspiel, khazalid, eltharin, queekish etc.
Wouldn’t be very fun if we couldn’t understand them at all, would it?
Kruber being silly is not really new. He’s a bloody battering ram after all.
Now on geography, I would like to point that Kruber was born rather near bretonnia. Not in the center of the empire. So he probably knows “a bit” more than your usual man from the empire.
Pretty sure he was to be linked with Bretonnia one way or another, not forcibly as a grail knight (that probably came way later) or a bloodline (as a result), but they didn’t chose to be “at the frontier” for nothing. They wanted to tackle Bretonnia at some time (maybe as dlc maps or something) back then in VT1.
(Edit : Back then in VT1 lore story : https://web.archive.org/web/20170504063159/http://www.vermintide.com/heroes/empire-soldier/ for the “born near bretonnia” part)
That is my point - why start with Bretonnian now? Also, I think the dwarf snuck a number of Khazalid words into his Reikspiel. Keri brought some too IIRC.
And what about about the pactsworn? Where did they learn Reikspiel?
Skaven learn much about the languages of those they attack, seeing that they build their undercities directly underneath their cities.
As for the norscans, they have links to the empire one way or another. Some have roots in the empire, others have raided to and fro, some left the empire to join the north.
And even some, believe it or not, trade with the empire.
So WH Reikspiel is pretty much like modern English - if you don’t speak it, you’re kinda lulz?
Reikspiel is basically common, the lingua franca in WHF.
I’m gonna join the team that a distant noble link does not make for much for every person. I live in a country where we have historically had nobles and still have nobles even without legal definition and privilages. Some people from nobles families are laidback, some have sticks up their asses. Some are very nice people and some are assholes. Kind of like the rest of humanity.
If people think that being some noble’s byblow is enough to confer vast status and prestige on you, then you need to check your contact with reality. If you don’t have estate and/or loads of cash and perhaps most importantly high society connections and recognition I am ready to promise you that you’ll have no advantage except to invoke mockery if you try to push a noble name.
In fact Kruber should be happy that he didn’t know of his noble ancestor before this as the rest of the Ü5 would likely have simply taken out any grief they had with other nobles on Kruber if they had known. And Kruber don’t seem to be very good at keeping his mouth shut.
Some call in on the Fay Enchantress’ involvement. I call that wrong since she was apparently not enough concerned with Kruber’s ancestor that she bothered to get him back for his inheritance. My guess is that the crime of murdering a duke got her hackles raised, but she didn’t have more than a passing interest in Kruber’s ancestor and so wrote him off as more work that reward to find him again.
The level of development for languages in Warhammer isn’t that good, to be honest. They are heavily leaned on existing languages: english with french accent and crossing words (as well as names) spoken the french way for Bretonnians; english with a couple old german words thrown in there for Reikspiel; some phrases in eltharin with accompaning symbols but still mostly english for elves; mostly english for norscans, only some written symbols that mean something; dark tongue (which is gibberish, confirmed by CA for their voicecacting work) for Beastmen.
The only language they at least tried a bit is Khazalid, but it’s at best fragmented grammar parts with - for a whole language - a small amount of words.
This is not comparable to the the likes of ya boi Tolkien, who created an entire fully functioning language with a couple of more not fully worked out languages that still have way more development than Khazalid.
Well yeah, of course it’s not as good as the Big T, but our Lord and Saviour Tolkien was a language professor, the Tolkienverse was in fact made to fit the fictional languages he created.
I still think the Warhammer languages are better than most fictional languages. It beats Warcraft by a million miles.
Usually you get lots of weird, random letters combined with apostrophes, but not in Warhammer- the only language I can think of that has tons of them is the Tau language from 40K. The rest actually looks and sounds pretty natural, comparably at least.
MMM, expecially considering in the stream they say this career was chosen because fans wanted it, I don’t think there was any plan to include Bretconnia in this. I think way more likely they chose UB as his place of birth so there would be a character with some ties to the city. Kruber has always been the practical voice of reason and simplicity over the other characters’ edgier points of view.
That’s actually exactly what I wrote about grail knight.
Pretty sure he was to be linked with Bretonnia one way or another, not forcibly as a grail knight (that probably came way later) or a bloodline (as a result), but they didn’t chose to be “at the frontier” for nothing. They wanted to tackle Bretonnia at some time (maybe as dlc maps or something) back then in VT1.
I don’t think they chose Ubersreik because it’s at the frontier either.
But that’s rather irrelevant, sadly, since what we got clearly isn’t planned in advance one way or the other. Many people are glad about it, and I’m happy for them, but I can’t help but see it as a bungle.
“Who drinks from a chalice anyway? Bretonnians, elves and vampires. Not my crowd, I’ll tell you that.”
You’ve raised a lot of good points, and I don’t disagree with a lot of the stuff you said. I agree that Kruber becoming a Grail Knight is far-fetched, and I agree the story about a noble brettonian ancestor feels like it wasn’t really part of Kruber as he was designed from the start, but rather like a justification after the fact for when FS decided they wanted to make a Grail Knight class.
But I still think that Krub’s ancestry doesn’t really mean squat, as long as it wasn’t accompanied by the supernatural promotion to Grail Knight. If V1-version Kruber (“Schroëdinger’s Kruber” so to say, who could or could not take on his alternative careers) somehow learnt (by document in the ruins of his family farm or somesuch) about his lineage, I still don’t think he’d be the type of guy to take much meaning from that fact. Krub might (apparently) be partly brettonian noble by blood, but who he really is, is a commoner battle-scarred soldier, who looks at life the way a commoner bsttle-scarred soldier does. I don’t take him for the kind of guy who would have tried to claim his birthright in Brettonia then, or who’d then have suddenly started to speak with a fren… errr… brettonian accent and called himself “Markus de Mandalot” in that situation. Quite the opposite; I think he’d be way to sober for such things. He’d probably just shrug it off, and maybe even laugh about it. He’d respect his family’s commoner values and his military comrades’ sacrifices and tribulations way too much to take on airs. Think it could maybe even make him disdain nobility even more. I also think that even if some brettonian came along then and told him about his birthright, and asked him to leave his entire life behind and responsibilities to tattle off to Brettonia for a fun adventure, he’d have told him to sod off. Heck, I think this lineage-revelation thing and his reaction on it could in that situation just be a thing that emphasises Krub’s status as a down to earth commoner, paradoxically. And therefore, I think the fact that Krub is now revealed to be partly brettonian noble by ancestry does not take away anything about his established character at all, but I understand this is simply where our opinions differ and that this is not really a factual debate, so I respect your position.
It’s all a completely different situation when Kruber gets visited by The Lady to drink from The Holy Grail, off course. That kind of supernatural chickanery changes a man. So if Kruber in that situation tries to take on the role of Grail Knight - bad accent and all - I can sort of accept that one as well. But I agree with you here that it feels like it doesn’t fit the character of ol’ Krubah if this alternative reality comes to be. For gameplay purposes and creative writing I could tolerate it, but it’s definitely not the kind of thing I’d envision, had I been writing Vermintide lore, I’ll give you that. On the other hand, I feel the same about a lot of other alternative careers in this game (Shade, Unchained, Handmaiden, Slayer, Zealot, just to name a few, and Foot Knight Kruber has an even thinner backstory explanation than Grail Knight Kruber!), so in that sense Grail Knight isn’t that much of an aberration either.
That’s not exactly what I mean lol, and it still doesn’t really address the conflict in his identity or even just whether he should go become a bretonnian despite them being everything he hates x10. It just kind of comes out of nowhere.
This is really all I’m saying, if there was a bit more going into how he reacted to the news and why he was led to come to the conclusions he did it would be a lot better, at least in this regard. It just doesn’t quite fit to have his baseline, “canon” career reaction be not caring in the slightest and continuing to do what he was before, while the other is giving up his identity to become a grail knight as soon as it’s offered.
Needed a short story or something at the very least if they were going to go down the serious lore explanation path, because it just seems completely out of character so far, and that sort of change does shift how the rest of the character is viewed. Most of the other alt careers still fit with who the character is, like saltz is a religious fanatic who also is obsessed with skaven, unchained is struggling with controlling her magic rather than being controlled by it, kerillian is an elf and hears all the khainite stuff elves tend to, bardin has his historical shame and then got captured, it’s generally in line.
I don’t know if I entirely agree with that, Kruber has a pretty set personality about hating basically everything that Bretonnia is, it’s a little weird he seems to just backflip and sign up to be effectively an enforcer of that realm, giving up everything he previously knew because the lady showed up.
Foot knight is pretty similar, though I just go “well it’s in the empire, there’s probably no realistic way to turn it down and it’s free armour” to justify that.