What if de-rank wasn’t based on mission failure, but knock downs in a mission - 3 knockdowns in one mission equals a de-rank. This would account for the odd silent Bursters, cluster of Bursters or silent Trapper net followed up by the coincidental flamer/bomber less than a second later type situations. It is unfair to the people who have to clutch for them to potentially get hit with a de-rank, mission failure should not be the metric that causes a de-rank. To account for players who quit immediately after getting knocked down: 3 quits = 1 de-rank. The trigger for de-rank should be quitting after knockdown or in downed state. (Because I know someone will bring up “derank on death means more players will just Alt-F4”) One or two, sure - situations happen. But more than three? A patttern starts to show, perhaps the difficulty the player is on is too high for them. Then, take that 3 strikes principle and apply it to the rest of Darktide difficulties, with NO inactive time based rank decay. So TL;DR: 3 downs in a mission (resets each mission) = 1 derank. 3 quits after a down = 1 derank (doesn’t reset each mission) Last man standing does not count as a down, so if player got knocked down earlier to bursters, trapper nets etc the last, mission ending knockdown wouldn’t count. NO rank decay Then, to progress in rank it could be 1 mission with no knockdowns = 1 rank progression. This streamlines climbing ranks Uprising through Auric for returning veteran players as currently climbing ranks is dependent on mission success - and as we all know, the factors of mission success can largely be out of a single player’s control (DCing players, exponential increase in difficulty with each player down). If implemented like this, current players wouldn’t need to start climbing ranks over again, they would just continue as is, following the new de-rank system. poll

I agree on removing de-ranking, but about the difficulty I’d say there should be a way to get players through the difficulties more linearly. Maybe if there’s a way to code this, the game could account for really good personal performance in Havoc 20 - 30 and then unlock access easier to higher ones, mostly so people whose skill is way beyond lower Havocs can just jump into the more fun ones for them.

Really wish we can skip over all the intermediate steps and jump to the part where deranking is removed. Would save a lot of dev time.

[image] Ragnarok101: Remove de ranking entirely. Remove all but Havocs 30-40. Allow players to select difficulty from any of these. Is this really the best alternative though? We have many people pointing out there’s an increase in players on Auric and Damnation that are constantly making blunders they should not be making, in other words they’re at a difficulty that perhaps they’re not ready for and that’s unfair to the players who then have to carry them throughout the mission.

[image] Bulanskovich: I agree on removing de-ranking, but about the difficulty I’d say there should be a way to get players through the difficulties more linearly. Is this not streamlined enough?: [image] anon63448941: Then, to progress in rank it could be 1 mission with no knockdowns = 1 rank progression. Could go off of mission success for progress instead, maybe that would be better with this improved de-rank system.

Your idea isn’t bad at all, just that maybe no down at all to progress would incentivise playing too safe or selfishly in some cases, and sometimes downs could be due to say even someone pushing a burster into you.

Remove deranking entirely, let players choose what rank they want to play [image] Suggestion to overhaul Havoc UX Gameplay Feedback Arbitrator and Ogryn are powercreeped to high hell and I no longer expect Fatshark to commit to the work necessary to bring them back in line, they created the NewGryn, they created Arby, this is the power level they want. So currently, for those classes to face any challenge at all in a 4 player game, Havoc is the only game mode remaining. Question then being, will Havoc receive the needed changes to make it’s ranked system not terrible? And get matchmaking? Because right now auric missions a…

this. get rid of deranking. it’s these hamster wheel mechanics fatshark apparently can’t let go of. supposed to motivate players, but actually kills motivation. and on top of having to go through the hoops of party finder, just no.

Well this is surprising. From reading highly upvoted posts/topics on this forum I concluded that most players were tired of inexperienced players jumping straight into Havoc and Auric expecting experienced players to carry them. Going off of the poll on this topic, I guess that’s not the case. Suppose there’s no point to learning Darktide fundamentals with Krypto the superdog and big stick infinite bleedgryn+stagger.exe to save players from trouble.

Havoc is already locked behind Maelstrom. If Fatshark was willing to actually do balancing people would get vaporized like they should be when entering difficulties they’re not ready for. Maelstrom would then become a gatekeeping tool to ensure people can handle it.

Your idea has merit, I am just thinking about the potential ways it could unfairly de-rank someone, like the examples I said. But at the core your idea would move it a bit more towards personal skill too so that’s good, maybe if the game would be somehow more aware of the context of said downs.

What IF de-rank gets replaced by this...?

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Remove deranking entirely, let players choose what rank they want to play

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