Changes to Havoc - Derank - Comms

Hey Everyone,

As promised, I’m here to give some details about Havoc and the derank system.

In Nightmares & Visions, we changed how derank worked in Havoc. Previously, only the owner of an Assignment would lose a charge if they lost with a team. After the update, we made it so everyone faced the same risk.

We read the feedback and how this feels punishing, especially how it prevents players from wanting to assist others or accept randoms into their parties.

Here is what we decided to do.

Players will only be eligible to derank if they stand to gain something from it.

  • A player of higher rank will not lose a charge upon being a participant in a lower ranked mission that failed.

Dev Note: We want to promote higher ranked players helping out in the lower ranks.

  • Rank 40 players will not be able to lose a charge through gameplay means at all.

Dev Note: The only way a 40 player will be susceptible to charge loss is thus by manually using the demote button, rank decay, or during a Campaign reset. We want players to be able to experiment with things without the fear of punishment.

If a player is helping a player with a lower Assignment, they have nothing to gain from it. Therefore, that player will not lose a charge if they fail the attempt.

For those at Rank 40, they do not stand to gain anything by attempting their assignment again. Therefore, we’ve made it so they can continue to try different builds and challenges to keep it interesting.

We want to ensure we keep the stakes and tension of climbing the ranks in Havoc, meaning all other aspects of ranking and deranking will remain.

These changes are currently being worked on. While we have the backend sorted, we’re working on some UI tweaks to make sure they’re aligned. Pending how these fixes go, we should be on track to implement the changes with our hotfix next week™️ (Hotfix #66).

— The Darktide Team

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See, guys? Yelling works.

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Also: I will try replying to comments here, etc. Like always! But I really need to step away from the PC to eat lunch before my other meetings so – if I am slower than normal, that’s why!!

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By next week do u mean this week?! PLEASE STRAWHAT

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We’re still on patch 64, so it sounds like there’ll be a patch 65 today (8th April) (or, at least, that’s what they said in the XBox Memory thread), and then they’re hoping to get this out as part of patch 66 next week (earliest 14th April)?

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now we just need to remove the solo play and MMT mods so more people start yelling at fatshark to add solo play and custom games.

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Does this mean highest rank completed or currently assigned rank?

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Thank you Fatsharkstrawhat, very cool.

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Don’t give me hope

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cool!
when does the change go live?

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next week™️

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get rid of the 2nd part of that note will you? there is already 0 reason to play any of this except for the challenge since it has exactly 0 rewards

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Sweet :smiley:

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So you can’t choose a different mission without voluntarily demoting yourself and making yourself eligible for deranking again? I’m sure this will please the 10 people still playing havoc 40 regularly who don’t care about map/modifier selection

Unfortunately if the majority of the playerbase is content with these changes then the players at high havoc who care about player choice will continue to not play this mode

Also if I’m reading this correctly if you’re eg h27 and you lose a h30 3 times the game decides you’re not good enough to do h27 and you derank? Lmfao

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I don’t see a difference, yelling or not…

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These changes address the issues I see with derank. Glad that they’re coming so soon!

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Initially, it was necessary to make a system like in Winds of Magic. Don’t reinvent wheel, telling how you listen to players.

Seriously - Winds of Magic!

40h will not fall below - this is good. But give the opportunity to choose to play the passed low ranks.

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On one hand, yeah that’s cool. On another tho, will this make H40 players more…griefy when playing lower ranks? Cuz yknow, they got nothing to lose so what’s the point in putting in the efforts, right? Hopefully it won’t get that bad.

Great question! Should’ve been more clear.

It is the current Assignment Level a player has – otherwise completing (1x) Havoc Assignment would yield everyone ineligible.

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