We're getting Blessing Updates (apparently)

[Mayson]

@Flawless

@Mayson

All in all we can stack to a maximum of 80% reload speed increase, under ideal sublime conditions. That’s not even 33,3% less reload time. Oof.

It is actually a 44.44% reload time reduction.
At least it should be, if the full 80% speed bonus apply.

Here is the formula for reload time reduction in %:
reload time reduction = 1 - [100 / (100 + “% reload speed bonus”)]

I feel humiliated and defeated.
Take your and go.

Summary

P.S.: I still think the reload speed increase is pretty bad value for your Blessing slot, though. Especially with that melee kill condition.

[Tzcheese]

@Mayson

you couldn’t even stack those numbers high enough to make a sizable difference.

Stacking reload buffs is enough to bring the bolter’s reload down far enough that the vet’s ult doesn’t time out between magazines. You can keep the wallhacks up for as long as there’s things around to refresh it. If I remember right, you can reach the threshold without actually building the gun itself for it.

It’s a niche case, but it makes an enormous difference.

[Nish]

@Tzcheese

You can keep the wallhacks up for as long as there’s things around to refresh it. If I remember right, you can reach the threshold without actually building the gun itself for it.

You can, but if you are going for the double reload talent you really should also pick up the +Reload perk it makes a huge difference on bolter.

[Tarezo]

Nerf some blessings is not unacceptable, but Fatshark should consider why players use only that blessing.
It stems from poor weapon balance, and if that is not fixed, players will leave again.

[BFCInsomnia]

@Tarezo

Nerf some blessings is not unacceptable,

For as long as DT is a gacha experience, nerfs are unacceptable, no expections.

@Tarezo

It stems from poor weapon balance, and if that is not fixed, players will leave again.

It’s not as simple as saying that it’s a weapon blanace issue and there have been plenty of people claiming your point here and nobody actually left because “boltgun, shredder, PS, flamer, CA, BM pinning fire OP!!”

The balance issues are so much deeper than “it’s X or Y!”

Then there’s also the point that power blessings are clearly ment to be the object of chase so them considering why everyone uses them has already happend and it’s by design.

[Tarezo]

@BFCInsomnia

For as long as DT is a gacha experience, nerfs are unacceptable, no expections.

What you are saying is, ``If we accept this nerfs, Fatshark will continue to cross the line one after another while maintaining gacha’'?
If so, this may indeed be a sensitive issue. I was thinking about these separately.

@BFCInsomnia

It’s not as simple as saying that it’s a weapon blanace issue and there have been plenty of people claiming your point here and nobody actually left because “boltgun, shredder, PS, flamer, CA, BM pinning fire OP!!”

My point is about lack of choice. Weak blessings are completely impractical.
There will be an update in October, which should bring in some new players. We’re going to lose new recruits again when they see the game filled with the same weapons, the same blessings.

@BFCInsomnia

The balance issues are so much deeper than “it’s X or Y!”

Yes, it is. I would like to add that, I am worried that FS is making decisions based on “X or Y.”

@BFCInsomnia

Then there’s also the point that power blessings are clearly ment to be the object of chase so them considering why everyone uses them has already happend and it’s by design.

I understand your opinion.
I hope FS doesn’t say, “This blessing was TOO STRONG, so we nerf it. That’s all.”

[command_codes]

Brutal, looks like Stripped Down got nerfed

Fatshark always nerfs the fun stuff. Who are these people complaining. I’m sure one tryhard is doing some speedrun and complaining about not being hit but that’s him.

You can already not be hit if you try hard, and you still have to do something to not be hit even if stripped down is helping

It was just an extremely fun aspect of the game, such as the game is

[Tzcheese]

Maybe? It’s hard to say until we know what the specific numbers look like.

Right now it’s a flat buff to move speed. The new version is a buff to move speed + ranged immunity while over X stamina.

Combine new ‘stripped down’ with some stam buffs and it might be pretty good. Depends on the threshold for stamina and the speed buff.

[alsozara]

@Tzcheese

Right now it’s a flat buff to move speed.

Actually I’m pretty sure why it’s so potent is that it’s the only multiplicative move speed increase in the game, which is why it feels like a much larger speed increase than the mobility stat on weapons despite the values not looking that high.

[Tzcheese]

@alsozara

Actually I’m pretty sure why it’s so potent is that it’s the only multiplicative move speed increase in the game

Fair, but my point was that we don’t know how impactful (relatively) the replacement will be until we get our hands on it.

[Flawless]

@alsozara

Actually I’m pretty sure why it’s so potent is that it’s the only multiplicative move speed increase in the game

To be fair, there is also this stinker:

[alsozara]

From one of the testers on Discord.

Retaining full damage is honestly more generous than I expected from what we’ve heard. Considering how high you can push the first target damage on Caxe honestly this blessing seems very far from murdered as some seem to be fearing.

@Ralendil Hope that assuages your fears. Also achieves what you’ve asked for, which is making BM potent on Shovel, since it will let you effectively extend its limited damage cleave for each trash mob you can headshot kill.

Edit:

@Flawless

To be fair, there is also this stinker:

Ahhhh yes thankyou, I forgot about those. To be fair to Rev it Up the blessings it’s competing with on those weapons are so mediocre that for Evic especially it’s probably a solid pick.

[Flawless]

@alsozara

Retaining full damage is honestly more generous than I expected from what we’ve heard.

If it actually ignores EVERYTHING about the enemies that are killed with a headshot, that is potentially huge.
And makes 1 shot breakpoints even more important (1 horizontal attack kills EVERYONE vs it kills nothing).

In this case, it would likely be an overall buff for some of the weapons, but a pretty substantial nerf for some of the others.

I think everyone assumed that it would only ignore hitmass, but would still count the enemy as “target hit” and therefore deal reduced damage to the following targets.

[Nish]

@alsozara

Retaining full damage is honestly more generous than I expected from what we’ve heard. Considering how high you can push the first target damage on Caxe honestly this blessing seems very far from murdered as some seem to be fearing.

I have to test that with PS when it comes out.

[Flawless]

@Nish

I have to test that with PS when it comes out.

Make sure to do 360° spin 2 win.

Imagine jumping into the middle of a horde while charging your heavy, then chopping off everyone’s heads within 360° around you, in a single spin attack.
That would be glorious.

[Ralendil]

@alsozara

@Ralendil Hope that assuages your fears. Also achieves what you’ve asked for, which is making BM potent on Shovel, since it will let you effectively extend its limited damage cleave for each trash mob you can headshot kill.

Excellent news. Sound better.
Doesn’t change that I really want that they balance this and adjust other too strong blessings or weapons AND buff incredibly weak weapons (catachan sword, chain weapon) and useless blessings

[alsozara]

Well the good news there is the same tester was saying FS has been extremely responsive to their feedback during testing, sometimes pushing balance adjustments from tester feedback literally the next day. So hopefully the testers have pushed a lot of general balance feedback and we see some of the wide sweeping balance adjustments we’ve been hoping for.

[Dumlefudge]

@Flawless

I think everyone assumed that it would only ignore hitmass, but would still count the enemy as “target hit” and therefore deal reduced damage to the following targets.

Ye, having only half the picture in terms of “Here’s the blessing, but there are other undisclosed but significant changes”, people could only make assumptions based on what’s in-game now.

BM sounds like it’s gonna be strong, but in a more fun and rewarding way. No falloff sounds kiiinda nutty, but we’ll have to wait and see. I do wonder if that means FS have made the Nth-target falloff model more flexible, or if they’re just doing reducing N on a weakspot kill.

The Achlys combat axe with its first heavy (I think) should be fun. Chopping down hordes like you’re chopping down trees

@alsozara

From one of the testers on Discord.

My first thought was the Veteran Shovel, but I just checked that it doesn’t have BM (according to GamesLantern) so… glory be unto the poop shovel, so that I may enjoy both quality punching and cleaving

@alsozara

Considering how high you can push the first target damage on Caxe

I wonder if the First Target modifier (where present) is intended to carry through. Between that and the weakspot bonus, is there any non-specialist/elite enemy you can’t one-shot?

@command_codes

Brutal, looks like Stripped Down got nerfed

Well, the new version offers combat utility instead of just “I can sprint to the next fight”. Like @Tzcheese said, it’s hard to say without numbers but getting ranged damage immunity in exchange for lower uptime on the sprint boost? That seems like a good deal to me.

[Padds]

@Tarezo

Nerf some blessings is not unacceptable, but Fatshark should consider why players use only that blessing.
It stems from poor weapon balance, and if that is not fixed, players will leave again.

im assuming the double negative isnt intended. i dont understand this logic if things need to be balanced they need balancing , nerf or buff its better than leaving it broken. that will loose players.

[Nish]

@Dumlefudge

Well, the new version offers combat utility instead of just “I can sprint to the next fight”. Like @Tzcheese said, it’s hard to say without numbers but getting ranged damage immunity in exchange for lower uptime on the sprint boost? That seems like a good deal to me.

Stripped Down is currently stupidly good. With T4 I run down Taxe and Knife zealots and the bonus movespeed is active even with no stamina. While the extra mobility isn’t as flashy as a damage boost, it is very powerful and seriously underestimated by the majority.

The changes are interesting at least, but it’s a change to an already very well-performing blessing. It has to be really good to make up for the %stamina requirement. Even if it turns out just as good (or better) I’ll kinda miss zooming around with it on Zealot.