while there will always be a best weapon and a meta, some weapons don’t really feel good outside of the meta i may not talk about some weapons because i think they are ok or i don’t care about them here is my thoughts on some of them
the helbore lasgun could use some base rending and damage i just feel like the recon lasgun feels better in most situations
the double barrel just doesn’t do enough damage to kill alot of enemies when i want it to even with crit
the combat shotgun lacks damage in general but what if you could also load multiple special rounds of if it or something
the infantry lasgun could use some fire rate
the revolver could use some damage or something it feels outpaced by the bolt pistol
if the chain weapons behaved similarly to the relic blade that would be cool
the way chain weapons and the thunder hammer stun you for using their specials feels bad
Hellbore - doesn’t fit Damnation enemy density with hordes spawning 360 around you.
Double Barrel - one of the most pathetic shotguns I’ve seen in any game in terms of its kill potential. Zealot knives are more consistent at one-hit killing specials and ragers than this thing.
Chainaxes - one of the worst weapons in the game that gets buffed every now and then, and still nobody is using them. Ever since they buffed carapace damage on Thunder Hammer, there’s no reason to use chainaxes other than for roleplay reasons. Awful horde clear, almost no cleave and over-reliant on push attack. To me this weapon is like Eviscerator, but 50% worse. Eviscerator MK XV is a better chainaxe.
Catachan sword - doesn’t cut it anymore, no pun intended. Too many armored elites nowadays, horde clear is also weak compared to other options. At this point it’s a glorified parry tool with mid horde clear (as long as you get as few flak enemies as possible), which isn’t that hot, since enemies tend to attack in bulk with different timings. The existance of multiple impact blessings on this weapon is a mystery nobody has an answer to.
Heavy Sword - only somewhat good on Zealot thanks to their melee synergies and Fury of the Faithful, absolutely awful on Veteran and Psyker. And even on Zealot it’s just “good”. There’re better weapons for survivability and mobility, better weapons for horde clear, better weapons for armor penetration, better weapons for crowd control, better weapons against bosses AND there are easier to use weapons (combat axe). Heavy Sword is the definition of “mid”.
Infantry Autoguns - fell behind in recent times due to overbuffed elite spawns. Only good on Scriers Gaze Psyker due to high crit which acts like a form of armor penetration. Ammo is too low on some of the marks, the existence of recon lasgun makes autoguns miserable in comparison.
Braced Autoguns - still have good damage against unarmored targets, but have awful accuracy and have too much competition which are better at everything.
Headhunter Autogun - Vraks Mk III is the only decent one. Other marks are atrocious. Worst ranged weapons in the game that deal no damage outside of weakspot hits.
Try to compare with evis…
Same move (yes!), evis has a slower attack speed but you can kill things easily… when with a chainsword you have to hit, hit, hit, hit… pathetic.
However chainaxe seems to allow you to kill especially with its special. Not sure it is good however…
As we always say, a good weapon is a weapon that can kill. This one cannot kill a lot of things.
Why? cause this weapon is far from good…
I would have made it an HEAVY sword… here it is just a diff catachan sword =with slow movement and a better damages. But the role is sadly the same… horde clearing.
The thing that requires no specialization and that close to all melee weapons can do.
Had forgotten they are here…
Honestly, problem is also too strong weapons… but they refuse to nerf them.
Combat shotguns are perfect… but in comparison of boltgun or revolver, or bolt pistol, you have no reason to take it. This weapon class needs more ammos.
Revolver is still really strong, especially the zorona that cleaves through 5 enemies (agri cleaves through 2 only). Tbh, I would have love a cleave falloff at long range (above 12.5 meters).
Chain weapons are good, if you consider only evis… all others need a rework. Chainaxe has several reverted values in the damage chart (like combat axe had) but only for 1 mark. Anyways, a damage increase could really help here.
An other weapon I would like to see buffed is the tactical axe. This weapon is good, but a lot less than alternatives.
Chaxe has been good for ages now. Way better than T Hammer unless you’re playing monstrous specials maybe. Chaxe kills hordes and elite groups faster than T Hammer by a mile. Talking about the OG mark mind you, not a fan of the second mark they added. OG kinda slaps though.
Also truly insane to see someone asking for revolver buffs. I knew if the power creep continued we’d get here eventually. Does feel like a watershed moment regardless, even if it was easy to see coming.
The Helbore is a weapon built around long range precision shots…but has garbage sights. Not only does it not have an optic, it doesn’t even have a proper rear sight, the player uses a naked optics rail in place of a proper rear sight or optic.
Its insane draw time gets people killed in the streets and misses critical shot windows. It doesn’t hit appreciably harder when properly utilized than a well built Infantry Lasgun.
People on this forum will tell you to simply not use overpowered weapons if you don’t like them, then simultaneously try to get everything buffed so there’s nothing left for people who enjoy weapons with distinct strengths AND weaknesses to play around. Or who just enjoy a lengthy skill curve.
If this game gets power crept anymore I’m just about ready to give up on it
FS please please please nuke the top performers so I don’t have to watch every weapon I like get turned into a bland pile of grey sludge by people who want everything to be meta.
Edit: Sorry for unloading on you Molonious. Not really your post specifically. I’ve been a Hellbore defender for a long time but I have to admit it is genuinely getting behind the pack at this point. This is extremely frustrating because I rather like it, warts and all, and don’t really want to see it made “easier” because the general power level has gotten insane. To me that removes identity and learning to play around the draw time and even the sights is kinda cool, retaining some of the punishing aspect of Tide combat that has always been one of its most enjoyable features to me.
To say it…
I feel that there are weapons that will need a buff. However, I would really like them to start nerfing weapons that are too strong before buffing anything.
But, actually, I have lost every ounce of hope I had.
Love my Chaxe Mk IV (the new one)
Love my Zarona Revolver
Luvs me Crucis Thammer
Loves ma Shottys, specifically the Double Barrel and the Agripinaaaaah!
Heavy sword oneshots every special, consistently staggers ragers and with skill and the right setup oneshots multiple of them as well. It is fantastic on the vet, who balances it’s armour weakness, it only falls short in high havoc hordes because it is just a tad too slow there. Also it has a fantastic range to deal with monsties.
Cat sword breezes through hordes and can tank demonhosts and sword captains/ rinda to death WHEN you invest into stam regen and stam. It is the only weapon on humie classes to let you stand in crusher overheads and survive. Flak Armor is not really a problem and maulers/crushers die from the parry. Do not underestimate this sword in a capable hand.
Tac axes are perfect with 80 perill and psykers cleave blessing, try it.
Not every weapon needs to be a dueling sword mkIV. In fact the listed weapons are my favourites among the armoury.
I’ve made multiple threads about how I feel chain weapons don’t quite deliver on the fantasy of this weapon class in terms of feel and feedback.
That said, from a stats perspective, I think they’re solid and in a good spot.
The heavy laspistol seems to be subpar compared to the medium one though
Had to quit ogryn to run super shotty builds on the Veteran again because the uptick in people saying it sucks had me wondering if I hallucinated having a good time with it. One match this morning had me only 1k damage behind a karsolas/rumbler ogryn with chaxe as my primary (monstrous special mostly scab).
My shotgun was both barrels/scattershot because I literally forgot so its not like it was even optimized for anything.
I love the double shotty.