they never directly made this claim, it is assumed that in their absence of change/response to the subject that they are tacitly okay with it.
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Finally somebody with functioning brain here.
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I wonder if the roughly half of the people who down voted the posts bothered to vote in the polls, or not. I’m guessing not.
Silent majority? Are they mad? There’s an entire thread dedicated to archiving all threads about how terrible the craft system is.
I’m sorry but the silent majority argument only really holds weight in political situations where a “cancel culture” exists. If you say an unpopular opinion you’re crucified, so you don’t say anything and disagree in silence, which then creates a situation where the popular opinion is silenced. Ergo “silent majority”
Edit: Ah I take everything I said back, I understand now. When Fatshark says: “Silent majority” they’re actually talking about themselves and everyone else on their payroll.
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I think it’s more likely they just lied.
The fact that it’s hard to prove a negative and that we don’t have their internal data to refute their assertion just adds some helpful padding to the lie.
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What would be interesting to see from FS stats, if they capture it, is
- how many items are purchased
- how many of those are upgraded by Hadron
- how many of those upgraded items are taken on a mission
To get a sense of how many weapons are effectively scrap at each step of the process in order to get something worth trying out (at the very least).
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That would be very interesting data for sure!
Then again, any number higher than 1 is too high…
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When you can strip weapons for blessings, higher than 1 isn’t necessarily a problem - there is a legitimate reason to upgrade a weapon and not use it in-game. We’re orders of magnitude higher than 1 though
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Doesn’t matter if FS thinks the current system is fine as is because a lot of players don’t speak up. Most people don’t know where to complain doesn’t mean they like it.
“This issue is going to backfire the game big time.” Mark my words.
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I can’t imagine that there will be any major changes made. At least FS has never rebuilt anything from scratch or made any major changes to any of their projects. They just always start some new projects. If something didn’t work, they just shelve it… see Weaves. There’s enough feedback on all kinds of issues and you don’t need to mobilize the silent majority, most of them have already dropped the game and don’t give a sh!t until maybe some major patch comes along that keeps them busy for 2-3 weeks, then the same old problems annoy them and the game starts all over again.
Why should all these people speak up? Most of them just want to play a good game. And the people who take the effort to write feedback posts usually reflect the problems quite well. Generally speaking, it’s enough to look at these posts and it’s pretty obvious where the problems are, there’s no need for a “referendum”.
It wouldn’t even change anything, as it is simply not necessary to satisfy the masses. The target audience of this game are the whales who buy as many premium cosmetics as possible. As long as that number is fine and the system is good enough to keep a few people on board, why change anything? These surveys simply have no relevance, even if they reflect general opinion, as long as the wealthy minority keep their wallets open.
The problem is also simple: how is FatShark supposed to keep the players hooked if not through this pointless weapon lottery? There is simply no other progression in the game (apart from the “play an abnormal number of missions” challenges). The unlockable skins are a joke, the rewards for events are 3 little banners next to your profile picture… and the gameplay alone doesn’t keep anyone forever. A reasonable progression system is simply a lot of work, and every skin that can be unlocked is 8€ less in the company account. And even if they did, FatShark would rather hand them out unconditionally rather than incorporating them into an interesting progression system, probably because it’s simply expensive to come up with events and interesiting challenges and integrate them in a functional way.
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One could argue the legitimacy of said reason but that’s hardly the point. ^^
Even if the number was around 10, all things considered, that would still leave me with more items I am not using than which I am actually using.
Compare that to VT2 where “items I am not using” does not exist. There are only items I currently have not equipped.
If the margin was closer to 1:10 and not 1:X^myAss it would be a lot better but still dumb imho.
Hello everybody. Silent Majority doesn’t complain about crafting because they simply left the game : some might have left precisely because of it. Those who remain, the loudest, are the passionate ones, those who played a thousand hours and want the game to succeed. Strange decision not to listen a single word from that kind of trustworthy guys ! Frustrating to see how reputation of such a great game can be hurt by missing the point so much.
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Daily reminder that, despite the alleged “silent majority”, the crafting issue is even mentioned on the Wikipedia page dedicated to Darktide.
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While the talent rework is closer to “replacing a placeholder that was released due to time/mangement/etc. issues with what was initially intended”, I think it shows two things: they do rebuild and rework stuff, and they keep it really close to their chest, not even giving a hint of anything happening until its close to release.
With the double edged sword in that they can’t get or won’t act on any feedback until after it releases, but that’s a different issue.
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Probably took a lot of silence for that issue to make it onto the official wiki page huh…
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Really? I looked it over and it seems to not mention it as a problem? Just that the Omnissiah patch released it.
Under “Reception”:
“The loot and crafting systems have drawn criticism, described by Rock Paper Shotgun as “[a] fantastic FPS ruined by a rubbish MMO”.”
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Oop, I’m just blind then. Thanks.
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It’s a shame these poll results won’t affect their bottom line in any meaningful way. Meanwhile this thread will be locked and disappear eventually.
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Pretty sure @brosgw has it memorialized in the Crafting Memorial though, which is enough for me.
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