The “Is not limited to” refers to the concept that there will be things in the update that aren’t listed in the below 2 bullet points. I think you’re interpreting it in a way that isn’t actually stated by the actual letters of the statement.
If you want an actual dissection of it to find out the actual meanings of the letters:
Let’s look at this sentence:
We are still working on the itemization part of the update as mentioned in the Vision Statement.
Specifically:
the itemization part of the update
This explicitly says: the update will partially feature itemization. This does not say possibly. This does not say it might. This does not say that it’s contingent. This straight up, white on black, to the letter says: itemization will be a part of the update. There is no other interpretation possible. The only contingency it mentions is that it’s in testing and the dev blog they want to share is being worked on.
Notice also it says
the update
Referring UNMISTAKABLY to the update of the previous sentence, the one releasing on June 25th.
To me, this feels like less of a clarification and more of a “truth changed”. I’m fine if things change I just wish they could just level. Why the constant “oh we just worded it badly”? I’ll say, it’s pretty badly worded if the actual meaning doesn’t actually align with what’s written at all. If I tag a moderator with a slur on this forum is it also just a wording mistake and I can get away with saying “sorry, I worded it badly, here’s what I meant all along:”?
Once again it’s just annoying that they can’t talk normally and say things changed (or that they messed up and said it was gonna be for sure part of it when it’s not). It’s always my mistake for reading it wrong. It’s my mistake for interpreting it wrong. Actual gaslighting. I know how to read English man.
Yeah it’s fair enough I’m just annoyed that it was first “the game will for sure get it on the 25th” but now it’s possibly also coming in september or something since it coincedes with their vacations, so it’s unfortunate timing, but it is what it is
Last time they were teasing a major relaunch they actually had tidbits to show. Screenshots, dev blogs, the usual sort of thing. The lack of even a commitment to a date is definitely grounds for us who have been here since launch to be wary.
Especially when its such a common pain point like items, like at any point in the last 17 months could they not have done the slightest bit of QoLs before this?
The problem being that Fatshark has used holidays as an excuse as to why they can’t get stuff done, earlier this year they were saying how there couldn’t possibly be any progress on anything because they’d only been back from vacation for…a full month.
Sorry this is all a stretch for me. It takes ignoring that itemization isn’t a bullet point and ignoring the explicit “we are still working on” and “we are currently in testing” qualifiers on the footnote that mentions itemization.
It explicitly says: The features are NOT limited to the bullet points.
Then it talks about the itemization part of the update.
I didn’t ignore that, you apparently just can’t read which is consistent with your strange interpretation of 2 simple sentences. I wrote:
Which is what those statements refer to. I’ll quote it again:
We are still working on the itemization part of the update as mentioned in the Vision Statement. We are currently in testing and we are working on a dev blog to share with everyone.
It says it’s in testing. When they say it’s a part of the update on the 25th and they say it’s still in testing that doesn’t mean it’s a contingency. It’s still explicitly stated to be a part of the update on the 25th, and there is no interpretation that allows the “it’s in testing” to mean “it’s in testing, so that means actually it might not be part of the update at all” which would 1. be contradicting the first part of the sentence, and 2. would be new info that this sentence doesn’t have. Meaning the sentence does not state that.
It does not in any way shape or form say that the itemization part being ready for the 25th is a contingency, and it straight up states that it’s a part of the update on the 25th.
Don’t play stupid man, it’s always beyond obvious when you do it. I know how to read plain English and so do you. This isn’t vague. It’s really annoying to get told that simple sentences don’t actually mean what they mean.
That’s cool and all but when your opinion doesn’t align with the actual factual meaning of the sentence i laid out for you and you refuse to engage with the dissection of the sentence it just means you’re closing your eyes and ears and going LA LA LA right now. Any opinion worth anything is defensible.
My interpretation of “the update” is that it is a clear nod that they intended for itemization to be part of this update. And qualifiers (“we are still working on” and “we are in testing”) are meant to convey that itemization is not complete and therefore may not end up being part of this update.
There’s no hoops I’m jumping through here. This is my reading of it, which turns out is actually the truth of it according to Hank (although I thought itemization was much further off, even after reading this announcement).
Imagine a company, so inept at communication, that it causes people to argue more about the semantics of whether they will deliver or not than their actual game.
Fatshark is trailblazing some truly untrodden paths here kek.
We are currently in testing and we are working on a dev blog to share with everyone.
They’re working on the blog post. The itemization part is in testing. The itemization part being in testing doesn’t actually call into question the 25th release date or it would be explicitly stated, since the actual letters of the sentence say: it’s part of the update on the 25th. Period. These other things aren’t contingencies.
That’s crazy how the party partially responsible for miscommunicating can just go “actually you just read it wrong” and you go “see? even he says so”. It’s that sentiment I’m taking issue with in the first place, just repeating it adds no credibility.
I don’t question that the itemization update is contingent now with this new info and actually not at all part of the update on the 25th necessarily, (and I do appreciate that someone cared enough to clear it up) but it’s just beyond mental to be treated like an 80 IQ subhuman who can’t read a normal English sentence that unmistakably means one thing and one thing only.
This is exhausting and hopefully I’ll have the willpower for this to be my last post on this topic, despite getting my hackles up over being told I can’t read, am playing stupid, yadda yadda. I’ve done none of that to you, nor think I am treating you like a subhuman by having a differing opinion.
Here’s the footnote on itemization, with the “qualifiers” I keep referencing in bold:
We are still working on the itemization part of the update as mentioned in the Vision Statement. We are currently in testing and we are working on a dev blog to share with everyone.
We could try it from the other way around. Is there one reasonable scenario under which they would explicitly refer to it as “the itemization part of the update” if it was actually quite possibly going to be its own update and they’re not actually supposed to be releasing as one? I.e. if it releases at a later date, how is it part of that update to begin with? Why would this not be phrased as something like
We are still working on the itemization update as mentioned in the Vision Statement.
They did somethign like this for the traitor curse update but there they EXPLICITLY said it will come in multiple parts. Clearly communicated. WHILE they were working on them still.
I guess there’s no reason to tread it out anymore anyway because I know I’m correct but it’s very upsetting to be sold “alternate facts”. Again I don’t care if they delay it I want it to be good too. I do care that it’s not properly communicated and apparently I just read the original statement wrong. And then people wonder why everyone scrutinizes everything Fatshark writes.
It’s people who read far too much into things, over analysing everything, trying to find hidden meanings in everything.
People just need to chill, get a beer, walk outside, drink said beer and watch the sun go down.
All that matters is that they are working on crafting and it’s at the testing stage… It will get released when it gets released. That is it, that is all people need to know.
Yeah they’ve known the system is terrible for eons, ‘reworked’ it in several updates and now they’re back tossing the baby out with the bathwater like the old VT2 class system.
Whether or not we can judge if its any kind of improvement would be helpful with information. Not ‘people are play testing it and no they can’t tell you anything either’.
