Heh. We’ve all been guilty of it at one point or the other. But at the end of the day I stand by what I said 
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I tell u one penance Im not touching, the grim one. I might get round to it but if I can get everything while avoiding that particular penance, I probably will.
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I love all these hot takes on this forum.
I mean there’s a better way of putting it I’m sure… but I have to agree. 
I’m sure all of us who were here back around release remember what Heresy was like when every match had at least 1 vet who wasn’t shooting at things, a zelly who started with a suicide and spent the rest of the map madly rushing, or an oggy sitting on their ult to uselessly hit the biggest pile of hordes instead of using it on the elites that actually mattered etc. … all to do those trollish penances back then. All of them ofc quitting the moment they failed.
I get it ofc, I do. But at the end of the day it’s our choice to play the way we do. The devs might have designed them but we’re the ones choosing to pursue them at the team’s expense. I’m just as guilty of this as anyone else too, but I definitely believe it’s up to us to at least work those penances in a way that still benefits the team and can pass the mission no matter how dumb we must play to get them. xD
I actually started picking those grims up because of that. Never bothered before unless the team wanted to. But, as above, not when I don’t think we can handle it. Since I only play T5+ this usually means HI is fine since I can carry / clutch it reasonably well, but I tend to avoid them on HISTG etc. unless we have a pog team. 
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No offense intended, but this is a pretty naive way to think about it. The penance system is a progression system, and with any progression system, people almost always want to use the fastest, easiest, most reliable way to progress. If the system rewards bad behaviour, you better believe people are going to behave badly.
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Sure.
And this is relevant, when talking about penances causing other players to do something that annoys you.
Because that is something you have no control over.
But this is about people complaining about the way they “have to” play the game themselves.
When in reality, they choose to play this way.
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How so? Note that I didn’t say the devs weren’t at fault, of course they are. What I said was that they’re not the only ones, that it’s a shared responsibility. If you’re implying otherwise then no offense either (truly), but I’d definitely argue it’s your view that’s the definition of naive here.
Let’s say we have a shady company that promotes unethical practices and hurts people. The gov. and whatever legal institution is responsible over watching over and controlling companies like these, is responsible for failing at their jobs. The company’s leadership are responsible for making it the way it is. But if you work there and use their practices and hurt people, you’re definitely personally responsible for that too - even if your very livelihood depended on it. There can be mitigating circumstances of course, millions of them. Maybe you had no choice and couldn’t risk changing jobs to care for a sick loved one or something? Your reasons may be understandable, even forgiven. But you still did what you did, you are responsible, at least morally to yourself, if not legally to others.
This is no different. Whether the progression track awarded nothing but the sense of achievement like before, cosmetics like now, even if it gave us fantastically powerful gear, that doesn’t change the main issue. Choosing to play in a way that harms your team is your (and mine) responsibility. So no matter how understandable, how statistically probable, and no matter how much the devs are responsible for it (and they definitely are), I expect every single person to at least be aware of it and do what they can to mitigate its effects on their team. And whether they do that or not and how, absolutely reflects on their value as a person.
For example I just grinded the Marksman’s Focus penance this week, and the best way to do that was with a plasma that is neither a crit nor weakspot weapon and has trash bonuses on both either way so MF’s finesse bonus is virtually worthless with it. But you need 2500 weakspot kills at max MF stacks, there was no way I was going to do that with precision weapons and take forever using a build and keystone I don’t even like. So I knew what I did was suboptimal, I knew I could do better, but I still did it because it was most convenient for me. That’s my fault, no excuses. So ofc I did my best to otherwise build and play in a way to disrupt my team as little as possible. Not an excuse, but at least I tried.
Or like those grims I talked about earlier, how I now pick them up. Yeah sure I only do it on HI or when I can carry / clutch, but that’s no guarantee. Even if it was, as a psyker main I know full well how much it can hurt others. That teammate who just died because half their health was gone thanks to my grim is innocent, they died because of me. Whether I can clutch or carry or not doesn’t fix their justified frustration over what I did. And I am sorry for that, I am. But I still made that choice. I am responsible.
Or in this thread earlier, I responded to OP’s rudeness by being rude myself. Does that excuse my behaviour? Of course not. I was ashamed of what I did then and am now still. I understand why I did it, and still think they had it coming, but I could’ve done better. I should’ve done better. And that’s on me.
So no, I don’t think this view is naive at all. I think it’s the opposite of naive. … Also sorry for the super long post. Really tired and it shows.
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Whether people take blame or whatever is irrelevant.
If you dangle a carrot over the heads of a random mash of people from all over the world from different cultures and with different life experiences and give them leeway on how they get it, it’s naive to expect them all to do it in a way that one person or another approves of.
To expect otherwise is to deny human nature. If you want people to do a thing in a certain way, they must be prevented from doing it another way.
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This thread is jokes, if you try and farm any other penance involving a lot of kills the Smite blitz can farm everything and make penance farming even more unfun.
Pretty sure brainburst will forever be worst.
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Smite is absolutely a good blitz, it may be one of the worst DPS sources in the game. But that’s fine. It’s designed to be an utility tool and does his job well.
I understand that it’s not a fun playstile but a penance is literally self inflicted punishment, at lo least in this part fatshark is consistent with what they say and what they deliver.
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I never ran smite either because it looked boring. I decided to go for the penance yesterday and it took me about five (give or take) T5 auric maelstrom runs to get it, all played with randoms. A few of them were a strugglebus, but I guess that only shows the state of your average T5 Auric puber who falls flat on his face even when everything around him is stunned. Not sure I’m in a position to comment on the ability itself, but the penance is fine imo and not that big of a headache or an offender compared to others.
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