Sacrifical Goat or Random Generator

[ghlitch]

Dear Fatshark,

I now have 15 red trinkets. That’s one for every profession on every hero. Nobody needs that many trinkets. I’ve also got 7 charms, 7 weapons, and 2 necklaces. Those are mostly ok but the charms are starting to get out of hand.

Can someone please take a look at the random generator to see if it’s malfunctioning? It’s either that or I need to sacrifice a goat.

[Toonec]

I think that rng is functioning allright. The problem is drop chance, which, i think, any jewery(trinket amul. e.t.c.) has same as all weapon’s drop chance

[NikKotovski]

@NikKotovski

3. Increase weapon drop rate compared to jewelry drop rate by several times, at least for red items. (Thanks to data miners it is known, that right now there is a 55% for a jewelry to drop from a chest slot (3 slots in chest) and a 45% chance for a weapon (not counting deeds, only comparing items). The problem is that all the jewelry is the same (inside its type), while there is about dozen different weapons for each class. There is an average of 10.8 weapon types per class (let’s round it to 11), which means that there is a 4% chance for a particular weapon type to drop from a chest slot, while there is an 18% chance for a particular jewelry type - a 4.5 times difference. This numbers mean that while rolling for 1 unit of each weapon type for a single character, you will get 4.5 instances of each jewelry, and that’s ONLY if you get no duplicates. But you will get them. On average, you will need to roll a number of weapons, equal to 3 times the basic weapon pool, in order to get each and every one of them. Calculations can be found in the second sheet of this spreadsheet. Yet again, the actual number if highly dependant on your luck and might be significantly bigger or smaller. But on average you will get 4.5 * 3 = 13.5 of each jewelry type or 50.5 jewelry in total while farming an instance of each weapon for one character… and there is 5 characters… and you only need 2-3 jewelries of each type, which you will get long before you’re done rolling weapons for just one character.
   On the bright side, there is a crafting system, which makes this whole situation A LOT better. You can always craft the last 2-3 weapons you’re missing. Also, your need a lot of dust for stat/trait rerolls, and you don’t care if it comes from weapons or jewelry. But when you start farming red items, the numbers kick in, and grinding becomes completely ridiculous, since there is currently no red items crafting.)
   Links: 1, 2, 3, 4.

So the random generator is working perfectly fine.

[Yzneftamz]

There has been enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that something may be wonky with the RNG, mostly apparent when rerolling properties a lot. If there are troubles, it’s likely that they would appear when opening a large amount of boxes too.

The drop rates seem to behave, but it seems that the RNG may get stuck on certain results at times. FS is looking into it.

Considering jewellery drop rates, those are certainly somewhat high. If they are based on slots used, jewellery should drop in three cases out of five. Unfortunately, trouble is that while jewellery is shared between characters and careers, weapons are not, so the real need is closer to 10/3 weapons/jewellery. That would likely drop too much weapons, though, but adjusting the drop rates for weapons compared to jewellery up some would help with the duplicates issue, and let us equip our characters well that bit sooner, and through those reduce any frustrations, too. I haven’t had a good luck with reds , but having eight orange necklaces, even after trashing some several times is a bit much, especially when I need to still craft new weapons if i want an alternate build for some.

All this also clutters our inventory a lot, and force us to pay a lot of attention when cleaning it up. “Now which of these necklaces was the one I looked at before that I could use on someone… Or at least use as a base for something useable?”