Yeah, definitely once everything is calculated and accessable via crafting we will have better view on everything. Also we will be able to finally reach breakpoints :).
I just hope Fatshark won’t drop the ball…
Again.
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You play rubber band on damnation with zealot waiting for an opportunity to rush in and run back to the team when you are done. With double charge and the 75% dmg reduction perk, you are basically invincible for around 10-15 seconds (97% dr what I’ve read, but it feels a bit less). That’s more than enough, and if not… You still have 5 more seconds of invincibility on 1 health.
Flamer has more than enough range, apart from the insanely long engagement where you almost always have the opportunity to run and slide from cover to cover toward the enemy, or flank from the side. Otherwise yeah… Charge! When they aren’t shooting you…
Apart from high-intensity engagement triple bombers are extremely rare and most people on damnation have a pretty good way to deal with specials reaction-wise. You know… You can just push them and dodge back taking 0 damage (with the eviscerator mind you, not just the knife). Flamer specials give basically 0 issues if you have minimal awareness.
On Heresy, apart from high-intensity and event scenarios (where enemies spawn from all directions constantly), you can just go ape on the enemy without any issue.
Anyway… I agree that the power sword is really good, and is perfect to fix any weakness a sharpshooter has, but let’s not kid ourselves that it invalidates other classes or that it’s better than all other weapons other classes have.
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You miss that to run the 75% DR build Zealot needs to run a light weapon. Lacerate Knife, or Shred Axe/Sword. They all have effective dodges for days and a large dodge range. You can dodge spam like a lunatic. Push, or charge when you need to regenerate them.
Its kind of ridiculous how much better Knife, Axe, and Sword are than any of the heavy weapons. Zealot is exceptionally strong on Damnation with a Knife, or Axe and feels useless when wielding an Eviscerator.
Aslong as the “Faith Restored + Bloodletting” combo doesnt get changed to allow the use of weapons that dont crit as often, even the Power Sword wouldn’t change that.
(Right now, even on Vet, the caveman weapons are a much better pick than anything else. You don’t have to charge them, they deal more than adequate damage, and you can get out of situations that would otherwise kill you. Like dodging an overhead, or three, and still having a dodge for the dog that comes flying.)
You get crit on the charge to proc 75% dr for 5 seconds. You don’t have to run a meme knife, I run evis and it’s super fun. Axe is super effective tho.
Edit: I hope they will fix the Bloodletting + Lacerate meme instead of nerfing “Faith Restored”.
I think the same thing.
Veteran is a ranged MASSIVE powerhouse.
Power sword makes him a melee powerhouse too.
And I’m not saying he gets ok-good at melee. Power sword erases hordes, elites, monstrosities etc.
The worst thing is you just spam the same attack and the same rhythm with no thought whatsoever with it.
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Dont forget, vet also heals more toughness per kill because it has more base toughness than any other class. for… some reason.
Why dont psykers who very often have warp barriers/shields/other protective spells have more than 100 toughness?
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Right? Vet should have 150 imo. Ogryn should also have 150, and Zealot 200. Psyker is fine on 100 if they buff em to be an actuall glass cannon instead of just glass.
Think BH/Shade from VT2
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for sure.
Maybe because you can block ranged attacks on your Power sword with Deflector Blessing ?
Better question is what are the classes balanced for, start, mid, end-game.
I think we can assume it is the end-game and I do not think too many ppl are there yet not to mention on all classes, to really compare them.
Just my point of view.
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About that, I don’t really enjoy being forced to grab a force sword as my only appropriate weapon.
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You don’t have to, it is an option. I personally like to run a duelling sword, the one with cleave, so Mark II or IV. Works best for me with Kinetic Flayer trait. Not a fan of dagger, which is probably even better for it.
I’m doing that too at the moment ; I just wish we could vent with other weapons like that.
And stuff.
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Heresy! BLAM
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I was a proponent of OP’s point, but you guys need to realize a lot of weapons are different than how they were in beta. There were no patch notes for this.
Certain very powerful weapons and traits were nerfed, and power sword got a slight nerf. On the whole, veteran is a lot less of a powerhouse than their optimal setups were in beta. Powersword is still the best base option for vet in that infested still take the full scale insta-death from a charged swing, and it still does decent damage to armored enemies while doing it. It is affected by cleave more than it was before though, and will lose its charge depending on how much mass it hits. For instance, you can only get 2 charged swings off if you hit a crusher now. Before it was 4 bar none. Certain things are also not dying in a full swing anymore from cleave.
Veteran definitely got knocked down a couple pegs on their baseline power. I don’t know if they tweaked enemy stats in order to achieve this and avoid the melodrama of people who can’t handle a nerf, and/or tweaked the stats directly without recording it. But, the numbers in psychanium are definitely lower than before, as well as how the weapons perform now after release, which is good.
Another thing is, we also don’t yet fully know hidden potential unlocked via traits. Some traits are worthless, like scaling power up to 2% (a whole 2 percent!), but others have numbers that double or triple your value. That can completely change the viability and meta of different weapons.
Whether or not more balance needs to be handed out, I don’t know. All I know is I play a lot of zealot now and I love it. I still love playing my vet, too, and can do it without feeling guilty of depriving my team the joy of purging chaos with me. I don’t see just one person zerging all the kills anymore on heresy, though seeing a vet slice through all the infested still looks cheesy AF (but maybe not OP). I would support this stance again if anything comes up in the future such as more moonfire/briar javelin shenannigans or if power sword has rollable traits that can give back its pre-launch beta power.
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Eviscerator is just as good. Most people don’t realize you can increase the cleave by activating the special before swinging through a horde and think it only works on soloing down a single target.
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It REALLY is not.
You will cleave through all mobs of a horde before you with the charged power sword.
You most definitely won’t with a charged eviscerator.
People DO realize how to play the game beside you.
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Little bit hostile aren’t we? I’m just saying not a lot of people DO know that you can rev the sword and heavy attack through most (If not all) of a horde with the Eviscerator. That the revving action actually increases damage and cleave on a heavy swing but will snag onto elites. I absolutely love it on my Zealot.
Hell on my Vet I use the shovel (Mainly due to Krieger aesthetic I want to keep lol)
I’m just gonna say I disagree and I think we can agree to disagree without turning our tones hostile towards one another. : )
I think the eviscerator is just as good, its been performing well for me, I haven’t been outperformed by any veterans yet with power swords, but that might just be me having a luckier experience. Plus if I really want horde control I’ll just use the Flamer… the heavy Flamer. lol
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Revving it, still doesn’t cleave through hordes as well as a power sword. It doesn’t have the seemingly infinite cleave a power sword has.
Granted because of all RNG my eviscerator is worse than the PowerSword I have for the vet. However as mentioned even a low tier PowerSword cleaves through hordes. Eviscerator does not.
Doesn’t mean eviscerator is bad or that you can’t kill horde easily. Plus hitting an elite, which often are in hordes, leaves you up for risk. PowerSword has nothing like it.
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That is a fair point. I just haven’t had much experience in dealing with power sword users. Only about a handful of vets i’ve seen use it, most seem content with using their guns lol.
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Really? Whenever I play anything other than veteran i seem to get vets that focus more on killing melee with power sword than killing shooters in cover messing us up.
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