slippery slope here.
while directly applied actions against someone are one thing(and should be acted upon, but i mean come on, there’s a difference of someone telling me to off myself behind a screen or flash a knife or gun in a street brawl), there’s no gauging of were “people feel safe”
the world isnt “safe” and everyday traffic bullshittery can lead to serious road rage injury.
does that mean i stop cussing the idiot going snails pace in front of me?
Sad to say, that’s all happened to me and after some of the responses I got to my thread on a similar subject, I stopped expecting Fatshark to do anything about it.
I can promise you, until you’ve been in a category of people that gets these things day in, day out, you’re not in a position to understand if it hurts or not.
Excusing or dismissing the worst sorts of targeted harassment and abuse is gross. Please, please don’t be the sorts of people that reduce that to being just a victim’s problem guys. Please.
Take a screenshot, report them to Fatshark and also report them to steam/xbox along with blocking them on steam/xbox.
I hear you and that’s fair to an extent. What I mean is that it doesn’t hurt you like a blow to the head hurts you. I stand by the fact that it only, at the end of the day, hurts you (emotionally/psychologically) as much as you allow it.
Like I explicitly said, I don’t condone anyone’s bad behavior and I don’t excuse it. All I’m saying is, as a victim of said behavior, you have no control over what those people do or say. Lamenting over what they do or say without any ability or real way of changing any of those things is wasted energy and does you more harm than it helps you. If the danger is not physical, then you can, and need to, find ways of weathering it unless you want to resign yourself to suffering. This is especially true if you are part of a group that is more likely to experience these things. I realize this is not fair and I understand that this is easier said than done, but that does not make it any less true.
then I guess you won’t mind when somebody tells you not to say them?
yah there’s a lot of “people shouldn’t have to deal with the repercussions of being a **** to other people” in here
Did someone in this thread just compare a silly gesture everybody does in the elevator sequences to pass time with SA? That’s crazy. Teabagging in Halo’s multiplayer after a kill is a next level criminal offence, I guess.
I think context and intent matters. If someone is being obnoxious repeatedly along with really rude personal chat messages, sure, give them a timeout. But most of the time the elevator thingie is just a crude joke which DT players created and it doesn’t have anything to do with people trying to offend you.
I don’t think people should get banned for something they didn’t do out of spite. Some people nowadays just want everyone around them to be persecuted and jailed for the dumbest things.
We weather a lot. More than you’ll ever know, and I hope more than you’ll ever be able to even believe happens. We tolerate a lot. And, like it or not, but a lot of the ‘only verbal’ stuff accelerates to physical altercations very, very quickly. If you’re waiting for that physical to drop, even if you’re made of stone, it’s not realistic to expect me to not experience autonomic and very physical responses such as palpitations, anxiety, nervous trembling or adrenaline release because you’ve been conditioned to expect what might just be coming next from the words yelled at you.
It’s not nearly so simple as you want to make out. You’re wrong here. And I’m disappointed that you’d think it’s so easy as you state. Like everything, the context and the specifics matter, but in the worst cases (that, yes, happen in Darktide too) then it is not okay to blame the people being attacked.
I’m pretty much finished explaining and justifying my own personal trauma though. And I look forward to expanding my ignore list with people who think it’s a laughable subject. Bring it on, people.
As someone that had this IRL for several years, my take is that getting upset over someone being a **** in some game sounds absolutely ridiculous, this includes any number of slurs, demeaning words or whatever.
If you are a content creator, putting yourself out in the world and you get a truckload of specifically targeted harassment it can hurt, but some rando trying every slur in the book to make you feel bad is just funny to me. People really need to grow a thicker skin and work on their self-image and insecurities.
I’m also not getting this “feeling unsafe” phrase getting thrown around in these discussions at all. You ain’t gonna get hurt in the game, it’s all so stupid.
Sticks and stone may break our bones, but pixels will always hurt me.
Forgive me for how this might sound, but if a text chat in a video game induces these feelings in someone, whether it be for reasons that I can empathize with as a compassionate human being or not, then the text chat itself or its contents are not the source of the problem. If that is someone’s reality, then I don’t think I’m out of line for saying they have things they need to work out. I am not saying this in a condemnatory manner. Just as I may not know what your life has been like, equally, you do not know the intricacies of mine. We have both suffered plenty in our lives I’m sure. Please don’t assume I can’t understand.
Like so many things in life, on a foundational level it is simple, but that does not mean it’s easy. Again, I’m not saying anything I’m saying from a place of dismissal or callousness but we are all the captains of our own ships. There are all manner of horrors that I can’t imagine what it’s like to live through, but regardless of the details of one’s experiences, are we not all in charge of what we do in response to them? Nowhere have I said that the horrible things people say are alright or fine and I am not blaming any victim. Please do not misrepresent my words in this manner.
You dont need a report option,
you need a therapist.
Or whomever reacts like this to anything online needs a therapist.
The problem is trauma is an irrational sensitivity that people have to process in their own time. Even if they took your advice, it would take potentially years to adopt that mental stance.
You can’t rationalize something that isn’t rational. This isn’t to say that traumatized people can’t be rational. There’s no excuse for using slurs and other epithets.
As for the OP? It is a cumbersome system and I think that’s intentional. This makes it so people can’t report others on a whim. I’ve found that I receive much more communication from FS through this system than I do with other gaming companies who have an in game reporting system.
I appreciate the desire for an in game reporting system, but I think we are better off by doing recordings and screen caps of this toxic behavior which FS doesn’t want in their game as we are all needs who just wanna have fun.
My advice: get some sort of DVR device/software for your PC, bookmark the reporting page for FS and have your videos and images saved in a folder on your desktop for easy access.
I think the system in place is much better for a better reporting system
Legit. A proper report option would just make people cheekier.
N by reporting it yourself with proper evidence, there isnt a question of “if FS will respond”
it would then be a question of when the person would get reprimanded.
Then the path forward has been laid out for them, has it not? Like I said, I never claimed this was easy, only that it it necessary.
I don’t disagree. And you can ask them to stop, but what do you do if they don’t?
Who’s to say they don’t already have one?
It’s not relevant to the current situation of the system in place. I’m sure this person does what they can on their end. Reaching out to fat shark to do what they can on their end is equally important. They want to make sure that this process is as painless for them as possible as this lengthy process means they have to take time out of their day for someone else’s toxic behavior because they won’t want it to happen to someone else. That’s legitimate.
Me? I screen cap or bookmark my recording and silence them and move on. (After reporting to FS) What’s unfortunate was that I had to do it in the first place.
I realize that I can just turn chats off but the trade of there is too costly for potential coordination with other players. So I accept that trade of as my cross to bear.
I like the system as is.
Small joke but rooted in truth.
Sure a proper report system is good but imo, and in other people’s opinion, reporting it ourselves with recordings onto the forum isnt only an easy thing to do, but it grabs people’s eyes, gives everyone a heads up/warning of what not to do, and it would only be a matter of time for FS to respond instead of a report system holding complaints indefinitely.
At the same time, if you arent willing to report someone’s misdeads on a forum for all to see, why report it to some system at all right.
People dont talk about it much but I’m sure the report system can, is and will be abused. As much as the report system on this forum has been abused if not more.
Man I was really hoping the community would be better. Almost every modern multiplayer game has a “report player” option in game including those that have much much higher player counts. If all of those games can handle reports, rightfully reported or otherwise, I’m sure this game can handle it too. Yes sure this part is speculative but I can’t see a situation that people would just start spamming reports en masse in game if the aforementioned feature existed, that just seems so incredibly unlikely. Either way harassment and slurs of any kind do not have a place when interact with randoms. What you do with your own group of friends is your business. Advocating for real life slurs or harassment in any capacity is something I can’t fathom arguing for and personally I think speaks volumes about a person.
