No Skiitari Cog/Gear melee weapon?

[Roibr]

@Heretical_Cactus

@Roibr

*There is always a Reason to make a 2nd Game if it sells! V1/ V2

Not the same situation, VT1 was not really made with the expectation of dlc, while Vt2 was:

• Careers
• Revamped engine that let them add maps more easily
• Updated engine for weapons
• cosmetics to be sold

In Darktide, more of the systems were already made with the future updates in plans.

Near every Game is made with expectation of a DLC, even V1. The Game isnt that Old, Games at that Year had DLC en masse

@Heretical_Cactus

For VT1, there were 2 type of Dlc content:

• Maps (10 in 4 dlc)
• Weapons (6 in total)

But VT2 was able to do much more, with alongside maps (which later became free content only), modes (Though one released as free after the less than illustrious reception of the preceding), weapons (instead of 1 or 2 a pack, 5 weapons, one per character), and most importantly, the Dlc Careers.

And for Darktide, while they angled toward the paid cosmetics in a 1st option, they did plan to sell subclasses and do sell classes.

Yes i know, i played it on Playstation back then. What was the Argument?!, i was advocating for DLC now you twist it. Its fine…

@Heretical_Cactus

@Roibr

@Heretical_Cactus

And can easily be made into allied faction for the original alliance (More so with Vermintide being set in the End Time, and chaos being made to work together for the Everchosen)

We talk about Enemy Faction and not Allied one. if you want Beastmen Class, no need for a fleshed out Allied Faction on that regard. could be a “Contigency Group of Beastmen” Grendel saved up, easy

I mentioned the Beastmen toward post launch enemy faction, not in the sense of adding Beastmen as playable class. Which served to highlight the difference between those and the GSC (ie: Beastmen were “easy” to explain working alongside the Skaven or Norscan >< GSC can’t really work alongside the Dreg/Scab)

@Heretical_Cactus

@Roibr

*Beastmen = Possible, but there you have a Kroot. Could havethe same Talents as they absorb their Enemies Skills and DNA. No reason for Beastmen as it would limit Builds. With Kroots you could explain everything easy peasy

Beastmen is easier to explain, is more easily given shared weapons, more uniform…

@Heretical_Cactus

The issue is that if based on Dark Heresy, those aren’t playable, but as the Mourningstar and the game is made, I doubt we would see any Xenos (tbh, both as playable or enemy), as dlc scope wise, they’ve added at max 6 weapon families, and Xenos would probably not be allowed to use Imperial weapons, with their exclusive Xenos weapons having inverse problems where Hadron and Brunt wouldn’t be possible to work on it.

Ratling is already disallowed, same for Squat.

If we get 3 or 4 more classes it probably will be the followings:

• Something tied to the Sister of Battle
• Adept
• Beastman
• Normal Assassin (not Death Cult nor Officio)

Yep u ment as a Class!

You did talk about both. I was talking about Genestealer Cult in the first Quote on Top, you referred to it with Beastmen as a Faction V2

Also u ment the Class later below! Its here Black on White. One can read the whole Conversation also. I always add the whole Part, not just what suits me!

@Heretical_Cactus

Only mention of Omnissian Axe → [3a]

Again showing only whats suits your Argument is not really fair.

Only one Link? i gave you two, to be fair. Also no Mention of Codex or Lore…

However im a fair Guy

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In the Dark Heresy tabletop RPG, the Tech-Priest career path is the specific character class that uses the Omnissian Axe.

How to Obtain and Use It

• The Tech-Priest Career: Only characters who choose the Tech-Priest path (found in the Dark Heresy Core Rulebook) can natively select the talent prerequisites and weapon training needed to wield it effectively without severe penalties.
• Rank Requirement: A Tech-Priest cannot use this weapon at character creation. It is a highly sacred relic. It is typically unlocked at higher ranks (such as Rank 4: Tech-Adept or above) or must be specifically granted by a Game Master as a major story reward.
• Required Talents: To use the axe without penalties, the character must possess the Weapon Training (Power) talent.
• Mechanicus Implants: The weapon is heavily attuned to the cybernetics of the Adeptus Mechanicus. A Tech-Priest uses their cybernetic implants to interface directly with the axe’s machine spirit.

In-Game Stats and Rules

• Power Weapon Field: The Omnissian Axe generates an energy field that disrupts matter. This allows it to completely ignore an enemy’s mundane armor points.
• Combi-Tool Integration: The axe counts as a high-quality multi-key and diagnostic tool. Wielding it grants a mechanical bonus (usually +10) to Tech-Use skill tests when repairing or hacking machinery.
• Religious Status: It provides a significant situational bonus to Fellowship or Interaction tests when dealing with other members of the Cult Mechanicus due to its status as a holy badge of office.

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So “as you rank up” you are Rank “Tech-Adept”,where you are allowed to get the Omnissian Axe. this is Dark Heresy Rulebook. Later you are a fully fleshed out “Tech-Priest”. You are not a tTech Priest in the beginning.

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ALSO:

In Dark Heresy (both First and Second Edition), a Tech-Adept (Rank 4 in 1E, or a character with the Adeptus Mechanicus background in 2E) can absolutely use an Omnissian Axe, but doing so requires specific rules, talents, and GM permission due to the weapon’s sacred nature.

Here is how a Tech-Adept uses the axe in gameplay:

1. Required Talents & Training

A Tech-Adept cannot just pick up the axe and swing it effectively. To use it properly, your character must acquire:

• Weapon Training (Power): Without this talent, you suffer a severe -20 penalty to all Weapon Skill (WS) tests when attacking.
• Melee Weapon Training (Universal): (In 2nd Edition) to ensure basic competency in close combat.

2. Statutory Profiles & Combat Effects

When your Tech-Adept swings the axe in combat, it utilizes the following mechanical profile:

• Power Field: On a successful parry, there is a percentage chance (usually 75%) that the axe’s energy field will instantly destroy the opponent’s non-power weapon. [1]
• Armor Piercing (AP): It ignores mundane armor entirely. Only energy shields or supernatural toughness can mitigate the damage.
• Two-Handed: The weapon is bulky and requires both hands to wield, meaning your Tech-Adept cannot use a shield or a pistol in the off-hand while fighting. [1, 2]

3. Non-Combat Utility

For a Tech-Adept, the axe is just as useful outside of combat:

• Built-in Combi-Tool: The axe houses internal sensors, logic-picks, and diagnostic units. Wielding it grants a +10 bonus to Tech-Use tests for repairing, modifying, or hacking machinery.
• Badge of Authority: Showing the axe to lower-ranking tech-slaves or fellow Mechanicus members grants a positive modifier to Interaction/Fellowship tests, as it proves you are a chosen agent of the Omnissiah.

4. The Narrative Catch

Because the Omnissian Axe is a holy relic, a mid-tier Tech-Adept usually cannot just buy one with Thrones. It must be requisitioned via high Influence/Peer standing, or awarded by the Inquisition/Mechanicus superiors as a reward for a major narrative milestone. [1]

ALSO:

I used a Link from yourself. I Bookmarked it, cause there are awesome Lorebits i enjoy. Cheers for that M8!

Crimson Guard (Warhammer 40K: The Lathe Worlds) | Crimson guard 40k, Red...

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crimson_Guard_(Mechanicum)

If you read the Lexicanum and the Lore on the Pictures. These Crimson Guard were mostly Skitarii in the beginning. After they became even more Powerful and they became their own thing. Some were Tech-Priests aswell. They are “above Skitarii” now. They use Omnissian Axes. As one can see in the first Picture and as the decription clearly states in the Lexicanum, Coils on the Shoulder are a thing for Crimson Guard. They are “Not viewed” as Tech-Priests. IMO inbetween Skitarii and Tech-Priest if you want a Powercurve nailed down, if you can say so

I didnt know these Guys Venatorii/ Crimson Guard before. They are super Dope!

Cheers again

@Heretical_Cactus

@Roibr

However Hadron is written very openly to a degree which could give some Loopholes. We will see with SKitarii how open she actually is. I say know we wont hear anything specific about her tendencies to either Purist or Heretek. Skitarii Primus Rules were bend for this Game to release them also. Skitarii Primus were a thing, they kinda Vanished since they had a SKitarii Marhsall and know they came back as a “Specialist or Special Forces Character”.

That still leave the issues of Shared weapons, which yes a Xenos class could be made that is not using any shared weapon, but seeing the set scope of the previous classes (Arb: 4; Scum: 6; Skit 6?), I wouldn’t expect any class that can’t be able to use weapons that are already there.

I would accept the caveat that they could plan a couple of classes (Eg: Warlock + Harlequin + Ranger) where they have access to a shared pool, which would expand the dlc scope that we see.

There is no issue, your making one out of it. Who said there needs to be shared Weapons for each new Career? That is your own opinion and has not been adressed on the Forum, not that i know off.

I couldnt care less, if we get some very Unique Weapons from a DLC without sharing. Xenos dont need to share their Weapons. Who wants to play and Corsair with Imperial Weapons? nah

Some would like, others dont at all and some would say i dont care!

@Heretical_Cactus

@Roibr

OP, but Assassinorum or Techpriest are (which are also in Dark Heresy as a playable Character) are in your Opinion which makes absolutely no sense comparatively then do it.

1st, could you point where I have said that Tech Priest should not be a class in Darktide ? Cause I don’t remember having said that, I have previously said that Tech Adept would be more work-able due to the narrative employment of the player character compared to Tech Priests, but I did not say that Tech Priest as a whole are forcibly stronger than what we get.

As for Assassinorum, if we are looking at the same thing that is the Officio.

• 1st of, which one are we considering/aiming for ? Would you say that it is possible to cover multiple/all of the Temples (which mind you have a Blank one, and another that is so full of combat chems that they’re incoherent).
• 2nd of, Officio Assassins are very expensive lorewise, all tied to the Temples back on Terra and lent to various operations as needed
• 3rd, Officio Assassins are often sent on their own to kill the heads of Cults or organisations that the Temples have been asked to deal with.

So yes, I would say that Officio Assassinorum are at base much stronger than what we see here.

No I would not say that the lower strata of Tech Priest are too strong, nor would I say that the lower strata of Sister would be.

I’m not suggesting to add a Tech Priest Dominus nor a Canoness.

1st: Ive never said you did!

Also i post this, why Tech-Priest makes absolute sense Lorewise

@Spazz

@SlenderBarracuda

Eh, I’m a little bit against techpriest on principle, just because that title implies to me high rank. Remember this is a civilization with an aristocracy.

I see that almost everyone is onboard with the techpriest in the game besides some people that would prefer an ad mech. Like a skitarii ranger. It’s a common misconception that the techpriests are so rare and uncommon. Adeptus Mechanicus is an entire faction that is intertwined with the imperium (they produce weapons for them among others). It simply stay above the water with just the servitors doing the hard work.

There are transengineers, engiseers (who are assigned to the imperial guard) and more. Most of them being of the common folk and not high status like a noble or something like that.

Coming back to Officio:

@Heretical_Cactus

• 1st of, which one are we considering/aiming for ? Would you say that it is possible to cover multiple/all of the Temples (which mind you have a Blank one, and another that is so full of combat chems that they’re incoherent).

Many and I would like the 4 Major ones, the most well known ones. They are all very Unique to each other. (If you read old Posts about them, they have a Fanbase)

All of them could use shared Weapons. However there may be some restrictions Lorewise. Technically they are all Human

*Callidus

*Vindicare

*Culexus

*Eversor

I post a old Thread with your answers to my idea, since i havent answered them back then aswell.

@Heretical_Cactus

@Roibr

VANUS

I didn’t know them but usually dedicated support Character/Class are not a good thing in this sort of game as it either become useless or become the meta and force people to play a less aggressive/fun character/class.

@Roibr

Callidus

I don’t think it would work since they usually work solo and in stealth (With a high priority target)

@Roibr

Cullexus

Nurgle doesn’t really use that much Spyker so his speciality would be situational at best

@Roibr

Vindicare

Vindicare are not simply Sniper, they are expert on pretty much any Gun play so it would be quite cool

@Roibr

Eversor

Eversore are the one who fit the most since they are close quarter operative, and are awesome

Eversor Assassin

Did they change the lore on the Assassin temple ? I had never heard or Vanus and Maerorus (But I already knew Venenum) and there were a few minor Temple that were named but I can’t seem to find them (I know some of them were passed in the Officio Sabatorum) ans one of those Temple was specialised in Incendiary Attack and destruction, maybe flamer guy is not a karshin but an assassin and his first Class would be from the Officio Sabatorum, and the 2 other would be Vindicare and Eversor

The Temples are mentioned by me come from the HH Book “Nemesis”. They all work together to Assassinate Horus. Vindicare and Vanus are even Siblings.

*VANUS = very niche i agree. Support Characters are fun and many Players love em. I agree on them "mostly not being a Combatant in any shape or form" in the Lore. Was just an idea. My Idea was using the Environment to your advantage. Some Vanus can fight (Nemesis Book)

This would be a Purebred Support

*You dont like Support, fine. Many do still, but i see your point. However, that would make the 3rd or even 4th Support Class/ Ability if you count Skitarii. Good Amount to choose from. Zealot and Guardsmen however are very similar. One is spammable and one has longer CD than the other, which one is more potent than the other (more toughness)

I left out Ogryn Bodyguard ability to Aggro everyone in a Radius. You could count him in aswell!

Skitarii will give revive/ anti Net and hacking Support (still no mats pickup…)

Very Nice

below my old Post:

@Roibr

VANUS
A Hacker and Tech Assassin. Can Hack everything and sets up Communication ,Jammers and uses Cameras he hacked for Information gathering for example.
He could be made a excellent Support Character, that with Active Skills buff your other Players.