\\\ New elite havoc mode for top players ///

Yet no one has linked a video of them carrying randoms in Havoc, only playing with their friends that also have 1k+ hours. Strange…

As I said and I will repeat it MANY TIMES, playing with THREE randoms in Havoc is much more difficult than playing with TWO people that know exactly what to do, where to go and how to react to every situation. If you can’t understand that then there’s nothing more to say.

then if it is easy why you never did a true duo h40

you don’t know where to go and how to react to every situation?

how many times i have to tell you that i did so many havoc with pubs and always winning
cause if i can do true duo h40 easily imagine having even a full squad in h40

your insinuation that random pubs are total noobs is no sense. due to the fact players in havoc adapted to the game mode since they play regularly havoc. so what’s your logic? cause i can easily find randomly very good random pubs. your logic doesn’t make much sense. plus it is also just delusional

anything but doing true duo h40
plus apparently you got carried by mister KC

a child of god would now post their scoreboard history where win/loss is shown across their most recent h40 missions

I don’t have a vid (but probably the streamer does have a vod I could try looking it out)

I also did a silly solo but this one was with cheese (still had to kill all monstrosities+ melee twin to be let out)

Edit: found it!!!

Here’s me clutching a havoc 22 game on Joplaygames’ stream. Granted I was playing the classic Taunt ogryn with sword and board, or in this case Car Door and Mace. Most of my mods are ui stuff, True level, Who are you, NumericUI, and an Fov mod that push the view models a bit forward

I finally got the link to work lol

What solo accomplishment would you consider roughly as difficult as completing Havoc 40 Duo?

You all:

auric damnation histg true solo/duo with no talents equipped
almost hard if not harder than true duo h40, at least in h40 you have talents.

Thanks for the answer. I was wondering about solo achievements specifically — is there a purely solo challenge that you think is roughly on par with a Havoc 40 Duo run? Maybe Havoc 21 solo? Or Maelstrom?

And what has a bigger impact on difficulty overall: the talent tree, or fully upgraded weapons and curios?

Let’s say we compare two characters:

One has access to their full talent tree, but is using starter weapons (the basic grey ones that can’t even be upgraded) and no curios at all.

The other has no talents whatsoever, but is equipped with fully upgraded weapons and maxed-out curios.

Which one do you think would be stronger?

i dont think you can unequip curios. unless you start a new character.
but of course if you don’t use the talent tree you are going have a difficult time.

grey weapons with talent tree is easy.
no talent tree with maxed out weapons is hard.

try yourself a game with no talents selected just to see.

I made a quick video showing how to unequip curios

local man on another alt?

Obviously no talents is harder since generating toughness without them is a play which forces you to play extremely passive and safe

The state of the game all classes have a broken build in one way or the other you are goal post moving for no reason.

Why do people beat havoc? It’s not a difficulty test or a skill test it’s a DPS test. If your team can’t make the DPS check than the games over.

Sweats aren’t these super gamers or darktide only players, they are just players that took the time to learn the combat system vs button smashing.

If you want to play harder content or carry in aurics with ease, every time you die it’s your own damn fault, and figure out what you should have done in that situation in retrospect and don’t do that again in future missions.

Win/loss doesn’t mean much for havoc, every day people are forming random groups and playing it regardless if they win or lose for fun.

I have no mods, so no score board but if I had to say in randoms on oceanic servers(mainly Hong Kong) it’s a 1 in 5 game win rate.

So why is the win rate so low, it’s just different play styles and vibes with a team with some impossible rng thrown in.

I joined a 16 with me havoc 40 and two other havoc 40s with one havoc 20 player, game wipe by two nurgle bosses at the same time in a tight place after a drop down so no kiting possible.

Havocs problem of pugs isn’t bad it’s the rng that can end runs on any difficulty and you just accept it and reque, so win to fail ratio doesn’t mean much.

nah i agree, i was mostly referring to people claiming they never lose havoc pugs somewhere above that. sometimes you just get blasted with bad situations and if your teammates are weak you can’t do much

I played some aurics with no talents and random grey weapons on vet at the same time, the hardest part is the no Regen of shield made it more like vermintide game so you can’t get hit by any pox walkers since having a full shield is hard with the range enemies.

Definitely doable in auric to carry your own weight, just punishment is extreme. I used grey dueling sword and grey plasma cannon since it’s my best skilled set. The game play is the same as a havoc 40 weapons wise since your damage output is less you have to hit multiple times.

Was super fun, I couldn’t get the trinkets unequipped so I just used some green +2 Stam trinkets.

I think a premade grey, no trinkets, no skill auric run would be a lot of fun more so than havoc 40