Wow for once a toonking ogryn would be useful? Couldnt have that now could we?
You mean what. Ogryn is an easiest to play and probably strongest archetype, he canât die, only from unlucky dirty net.
Staying behind teammates like a living cover and just shooting through them is a stupid design.
Lol its aight if you dont get it, but you realise this is what proper shield ogryns do anyway, right? Just with extra steps.
No, proper shield ogryn donât stay afk with deployed shield, he constantly tount things via ultimate, pushes and blocking shooters just to aggro them and force to mele, most of the time a proper shield ogryn apply bleed with heavy attacks and using his gun aswell.
Yes, but a TOONKING ogryn just stands there with his shield planted, not knowing none of his teammates can see or shoot through him. Plus, i can already shoot through teammates with certain weapons so i dont see your point about âabuseâ. I can also argue the ogryn is abusing the game for purposefully standing there with his dumb shield down, blocking every shot from my lasgun, knowing i cant shoot through him.
And itâs ok for low ammo pool/mag size weapons. Itâs totaly not ok to add this to autoguns/lasguns (except lucius charged shots)
Bad and unexpirienced players not an excuse to implement features that will ruin game design. I donât know what diffuclty are you playing on, but on a higher ones such ogryns not a thing and teammates position themselves quite smart (most of the time)
low ammo pool
The plasma gun has neither a small mag nor small reserve. Even the revolver can be argued (though i disagree somewhat with saying it has ample ammo). Lets not make arbitrary rules about what should and shouldnt because i dont see why the helbore should be given the exception
toonking ogryns
Thank the emperor i dont run into them often because most people in HISTG damnation dont play the ogryn, but then again this issue was never about ogryns: theyre just the most heinous example of body blocking shots.
Nah body blocking shots is just an awful mechanic. I dunno what more to say. The supposed abuse youre insinuating is hardly heinous considering its extremely specific to the shield and the ogryn.
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It has, depends on difficulty again. But plasma is a bit overtuned now perhaps.
Cause you spend time to charge shots, but itâs arguable to have it or not with lucius
Nah sorry, donât wanna see premade human centipede in my runs that running forward and shoot with columnus through each other.
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Look, youre using your personal experience as basis for why you shouldnt be able to shoot through your teammates, which is fine, but realise thats your experience and others can have varying opinion. I dont see why people shouldnt be able to run around doing a human centipede or what have you - let them have fun. Its not gonna be super effective anyway, but if somehow this ruins the fun for you then i dunnp, guess you can leave the session.
Well itâs a speculation, i belive it will completely trivialize positioning aspect in this game.
I speculate removing players blocking bullets will make the game 100% more enjoyable. Cheers
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Good for you, but glad devs not gonna turn DT into rail shooter as you want it to be.
Youâre right if they remove FF I wonât have to think about how to kite armor hordes, or how to fight bosses while dealing with a pack of flamers or disablers.
The positioning skills involved in that will be completely trivialized because I can shoot through a team mate occasionally when he âselfishlyâ decides to dodge away from an overhead and blocks my shots.
This is why True solo players are no skill scrubs and shouldnât be able to get rewards from the game because its so trivially easy when you donât have to think about teammates getting in your way.
Hell people might start quitting after the game gets so boring. Then theyâll think âDamn. It sure was better when we had to shoot through the ogryns armpit. So much more fun. It was the only thing that was truly challenging in this game.â
You missed the point. Try to read again.
True, like now they are quitting cause sitting behind a living cover and spraying with autogun doesnât work.
Executioner stance + Tankgryn being mobile cover sounds like it would be very cool if Iâm completely honest. Sounds like teamwork to make the dream work which is kind of one of the main selling points of these games and opening more avenues to find cool team interactions is a good thing no? Is this a bad thing?
This odd scenario you are talking about wouldnât even come up that often and honestly wouldnât even be that effective. Regular map geometry is already quite rich in cover already as long as you are human sized, and youâll be able to spot enemies way more easily.
But letâs say your worst nightmares come to fruition and you get a triple columnus vet team with a tankgryn who slowly push through the map playing like 40k SWAT again I ask how is this a bad thing? The melee mobs still exist, and are still threatening. The ogryn can only take up so much space.
EDIT: I should add I simply donât find gunners threatening anyways with my class choices being gunpsyker and obviously vet. My main issue with FF is people running up to try and melee disablers, or specials that Iâm already shooting and essentially doing a âget down mr president!â which can sometimes even lead to them shooting off their flame, or net or w/e.
Fortunately I do like revolver, but Iâd like to try other guns more often without feeling gimped by one stupid mechanic.
You donât need an ogryn in that scenario even when you can shoot through any class with any gun.
I wasnât talking about your idea. Dude said every gun should shoot through allies by default.
I donât mind tactical approach. But when all guns will perform like he said there will be no tactical approach, there is just no any tactic will be involved when you can tag enemies for clear vision and then just spray right through zealot casting his ultimate.
Like itâs quite clear steps, having FF on - hard, not having FF - mid, shotting through allies - nobrainer.
So if you want SWAT4/Ready or not teamplay approach you should ask about FF to be turned on.
Like if you canât tag for yorself, eh? Everyone is tagging enemies constantly anyway.
I was also talking about every gun being able to shoot through allies. The executioner stance is to be able to even look past the ogryn in the first place with highlights.
If you didnât have exestance then heâd have to tag them for you. In which case more teamwork needed. Neat.
Can you tag through team mates? Honest question. I donât spam randomly enough even when I should. I have the bad habit of only tagging things I see, and maybe blind spamming for a sniper.
EDIT: Should clarify tagging through team mates covering your whole screen as we are talking about hiding behind a tankgryn.
Yup!
Iâm telling you man, the guy just has skill issues and is on some serious copium to deal with it. Best to just ignore him. He wants to hide behind teammates instead of being a chad wading through enemies blasting away on the front line. Because, yeah, if the guy just positioned better he wouldnât be hitting teammates. You can ALWAYS just put yourself out front.
Whenever a teammate keeps getting in my line of fire I do one of three things: 1. switch to melee 2. move out wide to get flanking shots or find higher ground 3. move in front of my teammates.
Simple positioning will stop you shooting teammates that are getting in your way the majority of the time.
You sold me the concept. From now on, Iâll be throwing knives through ogrynsâ armpits. Hell, knives that passed an ogrynâs armpit should get some kind of damage buff, like poison application, maybe.
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