What hero power were you during this footage and what difficulty is this? Both factors affect how many enemies you can cleave through.
He clearly had low hero power, as his charged sweep was hitting 2 targets. However, at a similar low hero power, 2h hammer stops at 1 target.
He push/swings were hitting more targets than the charged attack was, but yeah Iām not sure what heās attempting to illustrate.
I think spear should be a weapon, where you can stand behind the tanke and attack them with a much range for a melee weapon. It did that, also the mobility helped. I donāt know why people think its broken. The dwarf melted also hordes with his flamethrower and itās ok, because you need to kill a lot of the small ones fast in the waves. Otherwise waves would make much sense, if there are only tanks rushing to you.
500, the same as i have right now. shows champion difficulty in the video.
Have you actually played with a spear outside of Recruit, be it in beta or since launch? Is your ādefenceā about your objectively wrong opinions about the spear that āhammer in similar circumstances performs worseā, almost as if different weapons werenāt meant to do different things?
Yes.
No, and you seem to have used the word āobjectivelyā when you actually mean āin my opinion.ā
Seriously, how miserable do you have to be to make up lies on the internet and then dispute objective, tangible evidence of it? I hate elves as much as you do, maybe even more, but maybe stop having a showdown between your keyboard and your mouth as to who can spout the most tripe fastest.
In my objective opinion he was 100% right, after 61 hours on the beta playing waystalker, whoever said the spear had cleave that was capable of hitting more than 3-4 targets is outright lying.
Here is a video I made in one of the final Open Beta games. Iām including timestamps since itās unedited footage from a recording session I did when I saw the spear thread and noticed the complete and utter lies people were making up. Such as, āthe spear can cleave through two chaos warriorsā.
Timestamps of relevance:
0:00 to 1:25~ - I show how the spear gets āstuckā in an armored dummy and will never hit the third target with the charged attack sweep under such conditions. I also show how I had 438 hero power at the time, my items, etc. I was handmaiden so I was pulling no sleight of hand with my build either.
8:53~ - I get my teammates to let me charged attack sweep the chaos warrior just to see if the spear will go through him completely. The spear fails to travel completely through, not once, but twice.
I felt the need to make this video because I think Fatshark should try to enforce a higher standard of feedback from its users. Video evidence or even better ingame dummies would go a long way to getting the developers real and concrete information on things they may have missed that players noticed first. If this came to pass the devs would have an easier time making specific, targeted changes to ingame features.
The standards of evidence in that spear thread were frankly ridiculous and should never be repeated again. Evidence consisted of people going to Veteran difficulty games to collect ādataā - screenshots of elves getting green circles on the scoreboard. Or, as in the case of the cleave guy, they provided no evidence at all.
Like I mention in the description, I had footage of how cleave worked with unarmored dummies. If someone finds out from a dev what old damage translates to in new damage, Iāll post the footage and show definitively how the cleave changed rather than having to rely on general vague ideas.
Iām putting any liars on notice. I find out youāre making stuff up again and Iāll come right back with unedited video footage. Hell, Iāll even stream it at 800x600 if I have to.
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just for you ill record some gameplay of how strong the spear still is even after the nerf. also in regard to chaos warriors. unless im mistaken, no weapon can actually cleave through two chaos warriors. however, the spear still can cleave through more than 3-4 targets with a charged heavy and a wide sweeping quick attack. ill record it sometime tomorrow.
New damage is literally just the decimal moved over 2 places. 10 damage now was 1000 then. A dev told me that this is actually the way it always has been, the dummies just didnāt show it correctly. Thats why when you hit the dummies you were doing thousands of damage per hit but at the end of the match it said you only did like 3k damage the whole map. However, many weapons have received changes in how much damage they do per hit so to preempt anyone telling me this isnāt true because their daggers used to do 325 damage but now do 7.25 per hit, just keep that in mind.
You can cry as many crocodile tears as you want about a weapon you donāt like, I donāt care. The point of my posting is to force all of you to start backing up what you say with evidence rather than just typing what feels right to you personally. And if you make a video of cleaving slave rats I will personally go through the game and start cleaving into the other types like clan rats/stormvermin/chaos types. So be rigorous.
As for how much the weapon cleaves, donāt forget that it is not only affected by your hero power but also which enemies you are hitting. It will cleave through more slave rats than it will chaos marauders. I havenāt read that anywhere but I swear on me mum thats what it feels like.
How delusional do you have to be to see video evidence of a test and say āIāll go run the exact same test because youāre wrong and Iām rightā?
This isnāt physics, thereās no variables at play here that alter the end result.
anyone who played the beta as and elf and then played other characters could tell straight away that the spear was over powered. if people like you had their way the spear would still be as over powered as it was before the previous two nerfs.
balance has to exists even within a coop game. and the spear was disgustingly overpowered. i find it still to be incredibly strong mainly because it attacks so damn fast. why should a 2h weapon attack almost as fast as some one handed weapons?
actually there are such as hero power and enemy armor.
There is a few that is ātoo strongā as well. Look at waystalker hp regen. Mix that with ātemp health on killā and she is close to immortal. A smart waystalker can not die.
(I have a friend that plays waystalker. cleans hords by standing in the middle of them, with a spear ofc. Takes barely any damage at all)
i do that too all the time and will post a video about it. out of all the weapons ive tried, and ive mained every character to 25, i find that the spear is still be king when it comes to crowd control.
Not when youāre running these tests (See what Fleshy and Grimmochov have been posting). Whatās overpowered at recruit 150 power is most certainly not at champion 400+, and the reverse applies. For the sake of this testing, weāve been discussing decent power levels in an actual human being difficulty - no one gives a hoot if you can cleave three rats with a spear in recruit (I hope I didnāt spoil your soon-to-be testing footage :^) )
The spear is not ācrowd controlā it is crowd killing.
Crowd control is when you stun the enemy, by knocking them down or by some other means.
Not by killing a lot of enemies in one attack, that is called AOE damage (Area Of Effect). AOE can be in cone or circle area. (sweep is a cone AOE)