Knife and how to balance it

[Ralendil]

Must be cause I am french, or maybe you don’t want to understand. I tend to think this is the second.

@Antilus

i know there used to be people who scolded others for not bringing the best weapon in high level games and they were wrong to do so aswell, that used to happens in the beta when there was disparity amongst weapons

I never said that… I just say that you cannot play with a weak weapon when there is a skilled played that use an OP weapon. And so, this justifies or a buff of the weak weapon, or a nerf. If you have to buff all others weapons, then obviously this weapon needs a nerf. If you have to nerf all others weapons, then you should just buff this weapon.
And buff / nerf is not only damages (this is obvious, but as you deform everything I say, I prefer saying it). You can buff a weapon by a lot of ways (example: the change that has put close range at 12.5 meters instead of 8. It buffed a lot brautos and also IAG, something I advocated to not go this way)…
Once again (I have said a lot of time, but as again you faint to not understand…) I don’t want that all weapons look the same… I want all of them have a place and be different.
That’s not here where we differ. This is by the fact you feel like this knife should be bad… and that’s normal.
But who would take it then? if nobody can or will use it, then this is one less weapon you can use, and so less different gameplays.

@Antilus

what i hate about your discorse more than your take on balance is that you compell people to behave according to your ideas, ‘‘not using op weapons’’ in your case, but i would make the same case if you would have told them ‘‘to use op weapons’’

This is not players that I point, it is obvious that normal player will always pick what is stronger.
What I don’t like is that it takes 8 to 12 months for Fatshark to balance something too strong. See who I consider that need to act…
If you read a little more, I perfectly know that the community won’t change players, and that’s why there is balance patch.

Now, feel free to answer, I won’t answer. The discussion is totally pointless… we don’t talk about the same. If they want to remove a lot of the game, they should follow the path you propose… if not they should try to balance the game.

And if you try to balance the game, you have to pay attention to other weapons. And instead of feelings, I have provided datas why the proposition of the OP cannot be applied. This would lead to nerf like 68% of the weapons and not sure it would help…
See this Zealots and Knifes - #84 by Ralendil

And see this: Knife and how to balance it - #20 by Ralendil

I think I have documented my points… instead of this:

@Antilus

the meritocracy part is that the game should not reward you for bringing a knife to a gun fight (no pun intended)

EDIT: To be sure you will get it, feel free to answer… I won’t answer you. As you often seem to not understand what I say, I prefer saying it again.