There are people begging to be able to splurge on the store like every single day, and 40k fans aren’t exactly known for being cheap. Do you not believe in whales?
They add new stuff all the time. See the new ork hunter stuff for instance.
They’re begging to be able to buy those one or two specific things they want, which is exactly my point. They’re not begging to be able to buy out literally every item. Do you not believe in proven business strategies like FOMO which specifically targets whales and gets them to spend more?
How do you know when it was made? Or are you making the argument that instead of a fomo store they’d just dripfeed the stuff biweekly? That would still assume more content being made because a big amount of the store rotations so far have been reruns. You could now argue the dripfeed would be slower, but that would also be less money. FOMO wins and it’s actually insane that people think they’d do it if it wasnt profitable, it’s such bad PR
You were responding to someone who was saying they’d buy every regiment outfit…I don’t know what you could possibly be basing any of these assertions on…
I don’t. I said they just added it, because they just did in the last hotfix.
FOMO or not, they would be adding stuff to the store over time.
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And I don’t believe him, straight up. Nobody does that in a game where you have one character that can wear one skin per build and has like 4 builds. People can say it all they want, they wouldn’t do it
Another reality is that Fatshark has a live service game alongside Darktide where they actually do run the oft requested non-FOMO model. I wonder why they decide to keep Darktide FOMO despite all the negative feedback? What could it be?
So, I agree with ye, but coincidentally I did do this exact thing for Paladins. Of course, this was waaay back in the past before I stopped playing entirely, so the library wasn’t too extensive back then. If I recall, they had this lootbox system where you’d get random cosmetics but it would only give you ones you didn’t have so I just kept buying lootboxes until I had everything. $300 total at the time. I probably would have kept buying new cosmetics as they came out too but they updated the cosmetic system to no longer let you mix and match bits and I stopped playing because of that.
But I would argue I only did that because of the lootbox system. Now that was a messed up period in gaming history. Glad that’s mostly stopped happening. At least not in the games I play anymore.
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Yeah I also think that might be more of a lootbox thing which are illegal in much of europe now so this here is the next best thing probably
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Aye, shame we’re not likely to get more legislation like that. Poor sods can’t even fathom that corps being able to defunct a game entirely, after you’ve bought it, with no expiration date listed, is a violation of consumer rights.
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I’m not saying a full upfront selection. Mostly just the regiment skins. People who play a given regiment probably wanna look like that regiment, and considering this is the only game where you play as something like a guardsman, that’s probably at least a sizable portion of the fanbase. And a lot of whales (aka average 40k fans) will probably eventually buy out the entier shop either way, again you are talking about a fanbase where buying a single solid plastic injection molded figure for $150+ is considered normal.
Yeah for pure monetization you still have a rotating shop for the more fancy and unique skins, hell increase their price and call them sainted. Not saying those should be in a consistent catalogue obviously that would decrees revenue. But in a lot of games its pretty normal to have normal-rare premium cosmetics as cheap things you can always buy, then the “legendary” premium cosmetics as a rotating shop or loot boxes.
It’s not that I don’t understand what people want, but consider this: Johnny Warhammerlover loads into Darktide. He loves Cadians. He’d love to just buy a Cadian skin. He hates the free Darktide skins. He thinks some other regiments are kinda cool aswell but if he can pick he’s going with Cadians 10 out of 10 times.
When he logs in and the rotation on the store ISN’T cadians, what does he do? He’ll probably buy something else to bridge the gap, like the steel legion set. Maybe he’ll buy something else he likes even more in the next rotation, like the later krieg set. Then when cadians come out he buys those too… and maybe later the COOL SCION HELMET IN CADIAN GREEN JUST ROTATED IN!! POGGERS!!! Time to buy it even though he already had a cadian helmet that he bought in that one rotation. Maybe later there’ll be a cool different cadian set without the camo that he begrudingly bought in the first one, but it was the only one available.
Now what would he do if all those things were just on a permanent store? He wouldn’t buy half of all that garbage, he’d just buy the cadians and be happy. Making him happy isn’t the goal though, making money is
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I get the argument for the most part, and that might work on some people. But consider the fact they could have the standard cadian gear in the consistent shop so they buy that right away. And then later on maybe they roll a new cadian thing into the rotating shop like the scion helmet, or maybe a cool cadian veteran set with some cool decals and stuff, etc.
Just let people buy some generic premium cosmetics so they can customize more and also keep the rotating shop.
In my example they’d still have lost out on sales on some other regiments. The point is really just to get people to buy twice or thrice or 10 times because they can’t get what they want (and making them fear it’ll be the last time they can get this particular thing, in case they want it later). Giving them what they want is to be avoided
The bean counters at Tencent have deemed a permanent shop that features all cosmetics at once to be heretical
This is just a bit too perfect. This assumes they only like one regiment but also like the other regiments enough to want to buy their cosmetics, and also will stick around long enough for the rotation to even reach the cosmetic they actually want.
And yes that isn’t a completely outrageous situation, it probably happened a few times. But its probably much more common that out of the 3millionish people who bought the game, they played it for ~50hours if that, the regiment they wanted was never in the shop, and they stop playing.
Most people pick up a game and play for 20-100 hours if that then move on, and that’s definitely true of at least 80% of the player base here going off of achievements. So having at least something constantly available that will interest the majority of these people is just a good idea, and likely wont cut into sales of the more flashy skins too much.
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my experience in game simply doesn’t line up. Every new regiment drop I see everyone dressed up that way in my games. That wouldn’t be possible if people were really such conservative consumers. You can even go in the morning star and see low levels with the current store rotation goods all over.
Anecdotal, sure, but the only thing we know that isn’t speculation is that Fatshark has kept the fomo store for 2 years despite complaints. Must have a solid reason. I think it’s very naive to think that Fatshark doesn’t know how to make money and that FOMO stores don’t actually work.
Like, isn’t it crazy how this concept is employed everywhere, and everyone hates it, yet apparently it somehow isn’t actually a way to make money? How come all the devs do it then and develop backend for it?
Here’s KF3.
Are we thinking it’s all just random decisionmaking and this isn’t deliberate because it makes money? You think they just randomly decided to do the exact same thing as Fatshark? I think it’s a tried and proven money maker.
And just for the record, I’m all for getting rid of the FOMO horseshit. I just don’t think “hey Fatshark you’d make more money! I wanna buy this! Let me buy this!” is the right angle to go about it. Not only is it most likely wrong, it also gives them the nice security of knowing that if they ever drop what you want, you’ll probably buy it anyway, so their profits are just delayed. They’re quite happy with you coming here and saying you wanna buy it so bad.
Someone with more motivation/pull than me should be petitioning the EU to do something about it and in general “vote with your wallet” must be practiced and these are the literal sole two ways this garbage will ever go away.
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That sadly lines up with my experience too 
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What about a special event where things rotate like 1 different page every day until all cosmetics already proposed are displayed one time in the event?
Fomo in ultra speed…
It respects the fomo and gives the opportunity to get something you missed.
I think they would get a good amount of money from such event…
If it gives you an opportunity to get what you missed, it acts against the FOMO.
I’m not sure it’s clear, but FOMO means Fear Of Missing Out. If you can get what you want, you have no such fear.
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You would see that with every fancy new skin as well. I’m not saying that the store doesn’t work currently, yeah it does, though they do have a few large flaws with it that likely cut a decent amount of their revenue (such as not releasing weapons and skins for said weapons at the same time).
Again it works, that’s why I’m not saying it should be entirely removed. But having that system and also a consistent shop is still likely to make more money. A lot of games get the same result of people buying the current rotation by literally only having a discount rotation that takes items from the consistent shop. Its just weird that you are insisting this is the only and best thing that works.
Yeah Im sick of this shop and now just wont buy anything in it lol.
^ it seems pretty clear the FOMO shops are working as intended and do make $. Does it drive a few away? Sure, and those are the ones voicing their distaste for it, like us, but it makes them more $ overall as does the “leftover” game currencies and in-game pricing.
Hel, the bundles got worse, no weapon skin included as they once were but people are still buying the bundles and likely spending more $ on the weapon cosmetics too.
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Bravo! Im right there with you.
All I can hope is years down the line, when the shop method runs dry, they change it. Might be too late by then, idk.
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