I think they have obliterated all of it. I personally have none left.
I’ve been around since the early days of VT1, which was a faulty product at first but was crafted with love and ended up being amazing.
I was there since the early days of VT2 which was again faulty but also ended up being amazing (Although I don’t forget the promised dedicated servers and versus mode that NEVER happened)
Now, I’m here since the early days of DT, but this time is not the same, the company has outright lied, released an incomplete product (If you didn’t know, the MS store version of the game wasn’t even the release day version, they gave a preorder beta on release day to paying customers).
I still had some goodwill left in me, really, because I know how they often work, but the updates have finished it.
Releasing a community update with patch notes that get outright deleted to mask the fact that the update wasn’t even complete, parts of the update just disappearing, the extremely poor handling of their backend during updates.
No, I’m done, I paid for a product and I want it finished ASAP, there’s no more goodwill.
One of the reasons why issues were not being addressed in VT, was massive spaghetti code and people responsible for that code not being in the company anymore.
I really hope they went with a clean code here…
(That said, I found code for total war Rome while modding total war warhammer 3 so…)
I’ve said the same thing. There is no innovation here. Darktide actually devolved.
We have less choice overall. Strict time gated bs simply because they know they don’t have the content.
The bare necessities are missing. (contract trackers, guild/clans, the full crafting system, crashes consistently happening going on a month after launch, ETC)
White knights coming to the rescue of Fatshark are pathetic. They sold a game clearly not ready for launch. End of discussion.
Taking a bit from Bill Burr skit. A cake maker selling cakes online. You buy said cake because pictures of it looked great and the baker hyped it up. It arrives, and the cake is half baked, has no icing, but the icing will be shipped to you in a few months… the ignorant white knights thought process is “Derrrrr, they know they messed up. Don’t express your frustration derrrrr. Just finish baking it, throw it in the freezer, and wait a few months for the icing. No big deal derrr.”
They got off easy if all they have to deal with is the community manager scrolling through numerous posts expressing their feelings of betrayal and frustration.
The gameplay is fine. Fights feel good, difficulty feels like where it should be. (It would be nice to have some sort of lockout to lower end players so they can’t simply queue up for a 3+ mission and get absolutely destroyed because they don’t belong in there.) But unfortunately, all of that is moot due to the overwhelming amount of missing content, bugs, and performance/stability issues.
We paid for a finished product with some hopes of some innovation. But all we got was a half cooked alpha experience still implementing the fundamental core aspect of the base game.
They surely did eviscerate our good will.
I mean, the size is a hindrance, whether you’re a good player or not, having your view blocked is having your view blocked. The same way many people saw Bardin as a plus in VT2 since you could so easily look and shoot over him. Sure, there will be players that blame their own bad gameplay on factors like that, but this just simple view obstruction.
Everything equal, a teammate you can shoot around and over more easily in more situations is a huge advantage. When ogryn gets the gun lugger maybe the general sentiment will flip since you’ll have heavy firepower coming from someone that can look over his teammates.
The problem is coherency is an unnecessary added punishment that kicks in when e.g. some of the team keep the boss occupied in melee and the others range the boss, or if you have to move aside to dodge aoes.
VT2 already punished bad positioning and not supporting each other in combat extremely well just by its nature, I remember many citadel runs that ended in wipes where the individual players were good but had zero situational awareness or grasp of good postioning, and were more focused on kills than keeping the team alive, conversely there were many runs where I thought we wouldn’t make it since the team didn’t quite know what they were doing but we still pulled through as they stuck together and either had decent positioning or would follow the lead of those who did.
Coherency was not needed and reliance on it is imo a detriment for those situations where you do want to split up a bit.
The goodwill from VT1 did help with VT2 release from memory, but it was eroded successively with WoM and now this.
You may be content with a product you bought being in a good state half a year in or later but there are many first time customers who won’t and also many here who won’t either. It may not affect you but encouraging companies in this ends up teaching them that quick cashgrab games are the way to go and that they don’t need to put in any real effort.
Speaking of IME, I know a lot of people that have sworn off ever buying CA games again and stopped buying DLC for them, so we’ll see. But maybe enough people are content with the company releasing products in that state that they will just continue to lower their standards.
I find it more likely the same person that thought the item system was a good idea programmed him and he escaped to torment us ^^
And I’m telling you that you’re wrong. They were already sold in China and the government doesn’t regulate steam. I was in China when VT2 came out and had no issue buying it in CNY or playing it with US friends.
I can read and speak mandarin. I spent 5 years in China. In case you haven’t seen already my wife is Chinese. I think I have a good enough grasp of the business culture. Zero people have been able to provide any evidence of Tencent’s holding division buying foreign game companies and forcing design choices on them. Neither has anyone demonstated the holding company in Singapore even having game designers that speak enough english/swedish to ship around the globe to bark any orders at domestic designers. Let FS own their unique design philosphy, their communication stance and the state of the game.
Well they have surely shown they are capable with the force staff lighting been changed and then reverted. They have demonstrated their ability to see feedback and make corrects based on community desires. They are letting us know that they simply do not care about the rest of the feedback about system designs.
i referred to the fact, that any corporation in china is not their own master, but a vassal of the state.
sorry that i did not clarify what i meant.
with your in depth insight into the business mentality there, would you disagree with my assessment? your view is still relatively western if forceful coercion is the first idea that springs to mind for you.
how many centuries does your view encompass?
also i envy you if you speak mandarin fluently =)
i could talk with so many different kind of people if i could speak that language.
Not sure you understand how China works or what a vassal is. In the USA we have laws forcing certain companies to have ADA compliant bathrooms, handicap parking spaces and regulating hiring practrices and so on. The government then takes a bunch of their revenue as tribute. Does that make them a vassal of the state? (Or, not sure if you are following the state involvement in twitter) Imagine.
In China there aren’t government or party workers walking up and down the rows of programmers making sure they aren’t doing things. The government hands out blacklists every few months with all the banned words or features. Games have a review process before launch. (such as no bikinis allowed) After launch, designers actually get away with sneaking a lot of stuff into games, other than banned words (like bikinis).
Have you noticed any out of ordinary banned words in Fatshark games or forums? Definitely not.
Honestly I think a lot of it comes from a “don’t rock the boat” mentality when it comes to projected numbers. Tencent bought those games when they were already up and running. It’s another thing entirely when you’re launching a new game, especially when people are willing to spend.
VT2’s model didnt suddenly change when Tencent bought Fatshark. It stayed precisely the same because it’s a smaller game with a hardcore fanbase which had already set its own expectations. But with so much more hype and advertising, Tencent knew they could squeeze and they’d still make money. More, even.
Which they have. Tell me how many Steel Legionaires you played with today.
the censor system that was in place before launch was extremely weird. banning words like “sniper” and such. So if your explanation of banned words as an example is true, well… That seems like a good reason to investigate for any tampering for Tencent.
@Genius
What @Merdoc is posting here is: 59% of all time is positive reviews.
However, 48% of recent (last 30 days) is positive, meaning that the current majority is actually negative reviews, considering that Steam reviews go by a binary choice (Positive or negative).
