I was going to buy Darktide, but

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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I’m a long time Vermintide player, I have everything V2 has to sell and really supported Fatshark during those years. I don’t mind some minor issues, like performance drop or crossplay creating bad experience on higher difficulties. But after hearing about the crafting system, which sounds more like some BS taken from a Korean Mobile MMO, I’m probably buying Baldur’s Gate 3 instead.

Goodbye, Darktide. See you in the next sale. Only if things get better.

For the "THEY WON'T MISS YOUR 30 BUCKS THANK YOU" guys, here's the answer:

Let’s put things clear here, so we are at the same page. The best way we have to give our negative opinion as consumers is to not buy something. I don’t have Darktide.

I’m not blackmailing anyone. I’m not simply crying over “something I don’t like”. The critics around the crafting system are not subjective. It’s not a matter of “taste”, like you’re trying to sign. The crafting is objectively detrimental against players. The system is not fun, not engaging. Even the people here who “defend it” say that we should just ignore it, so the system is not even needed to begin with. It’s only there to hold you down, to make you waste your time, and this fact drives me away from the game (and probably from the company).

It’s actually a conscious business decision from Fatshark to do things that way. They want to keep the “Loot Chasing” feeling alive for as long as possible, and designed a system for it. They did simulations to preview how much time would be needed for you to get the things you want (from what I’ve seen, 20k hours).

So, what’s the point of a system like that? Why waste resources with something that “should be just ignored”, because it’s not needed and it’s there to explore potential unhealthy behavior at our cost? The game launched with a full shop and working psychological FOMO traps. What’s next? This should mean something to you. I’m not saying the game is trash or that A or B is evil. I’m making a personal point that I’m not willing to financially support this kind of tendency. And that’s it.

For the "YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE GAME" or "YOU ARE JUST A KAREN" ones:

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Of course I would love the combat, just as I like on V2. No discussion about that. Visuals are incredible. Audio is top notch. No one is doing any “spectral” about anything and you are very free to disagree with anything I said.

I’m simply presenting my point. I wouldn’t be here wasting my time with a post if I didn’t care about the franchise. The skill tree update was a great addition for this game, made me come back to take a look. Sadly, that’s not enough for me. I still worried about the crafting system, not because I firmly believe it will destroy my personal experience with the game without even playing it, no. But because buying the game the way it is represents endorsement of something I disagree with. Being short: we have an entire system that achieves nothing but time waste. I would like to see it change before buying the game, knowing that it’s going towards a helthier direction (and seems a lot of people agree with me). The specifics I already wrote above.

And that’s it. I still watch ChocoB playing it from time to time.

For the "GAME IS WORTH THE MONEY" or "CRAFTING IS BAD JUST FOR A WHILE" ones:

I never said the game is not worth the money. It probably is, but that is not the point. There’s an entire system inside the game that is completely irrational, being pointed even as useless by it’s defenders. This is a big flaw in the game development that follows the worst market practices we know, and makes me question what is to come. If I don’t like it, I have the right to not support it.

If it gets better with time, that is irrelevant. Fatshark needs to acknowledge it’s wrong and it needs change. Otherwise, I won’t be able to trust them to keep in a good development direction.

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That’s too bad. I’m not one to defend the locks, ever, but in the current Darktide I’d say about 85-90% of your power comes from the talent load outs and not stupid gear. Its too bad they didn’t make items like that too.

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You won’t regret it. BG3 is an exceptional game. If you have a group of people to play with then it’s fun too, but in a slightly different way.

Just to be clear, it’s not the best game ever made or anything like that which some people will have you say. The worst part is that when you are playing with your friends you can’t bounce the dialogue between you. So if you approach as a group, the one who happens to be closest initiates dialogue, but an intelligence check is needed after a while and your character is dumb as a rock. The wizard is standing next to you, but he cannot chime in.

Changing this would require changing the way the entire dialog system is created, but it really really really sucks the way it is implemented now. There are also several cases where the logical dialog choices have not been available, but again ,this is hard to cover. On the whole BG3 is really good game.

This, some Winds of Magic type gear system. I just don’t bother with gear because it’s too time consuming and the UI is complete garbage. It amazes me that anyone would think carrying around dozens of version of the same gun to compare stats is even remotely fun.

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Accurate. I’ve been playing Genshin Impact on the side this year and Darktide’s item grind is unironically worse than Genshin’s artifacts.

Totally worth. Larian haven’t disappointed me yet.

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Probably true, though there’s some cases where having the right weapon is definitely a big deal.

A huge amount of your playstyle is still based in your weapons too, and the crafting system is still excessively restrictive when it comes to experimenting in that area.

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You’re not missing anything. The combat is great. But that’s it. Everything else is just frustrating and sucks. And Fatshark just doesn’t care. Not one damn bit. Have a blast playing Buldurs. I hear it’s a great game.

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On the weapons side I’m finally throwing in with the breakpoints not mattering, either having been changed or we have new ways to shoot past them so they’re irrelevant or just niceties. Use the 2 rerolls on blessings and make good weapons with everything, try to ignore the ugly stamina and sprint efficiencies because its truly not a dealbreaker.

Now the curios are still bunk, because I can definitely confirm they nerfed the upgrading of them down to rolling T4s like 1% of the time, and they obviously still have an awful list to choose from. Because I’m finally making wound curios, having ignored them for all time…

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The locks on the crafting system suck, but in all honesty, it only bothered me in the beginning. As someone pointed out, your powers come from the talent tree and your skills. After 200 hours I had all the perks and blessings I wanted (not needed) on my characters and have been rolling with them 700 hours later. A few minor tweaks here and there, since Fatshark lifted some of the crafting restrictions. Don’t let a few dumb corporate decisions drive you away from this otherwise great game. You really don’t need all the meta perks/blessings to do well and have fun.

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Need to put a big caveat there: *If you are lucky.

I’ve still got blessings that I haven’t seen higher than T2 because they just don’t appear in the armoury or when consecrating or with emperor’s gift. The blessing system is a RNG hellhole.

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You are absolutely making the correct decision here.
Wait. Give it more time. You aren’t missing anything.

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I have much better things to do with my life than wrestle this useless loot system. My backlog is full of games that don’t pull this crap. With that said, I do play Darktide from time to time, but I don’t bother with the loot so I let my lack of skill compensate. It sucks because I like min-maxing, but I won’t under these circumstances.

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Im pretty sure Fatshark is now going to redirect all their resources into what you want, to earn that extra 40$/€.

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Dude. This guy is hardly alone. How many sales are being lost precisely because players can’t stand gacha?

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Dude, everyone who says stuff like ‘‘im not gonna buy because x sucks’’ or ‘‘im leaving because/until sucks and/is fixed’’ are people who most likely already bought the game and people who keep playing it.

There is always, and there always will be something that doesn’t suit someone, which can decrease amount of potentional new customers. I don’t think this one is legitimately justified. So im guessing OP is someone who acts like potentional customer by making a soft blackmail style thread to try create overexaggerated topic, in order to enforce his personal wishes.

Now im not supporting the crafting system, as i agree its total dogpoop, designed to keep you playing, but i mind it much less than dogs…t graphical unoptimized performance fatshark is known for, and uncappable of fixing.

Even V2 goes below 40 fps on high end 2022 rigs, and v2 is 5 years old game.

I just can’t take threads like these seriously.

No ill will meant though.

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Of course you’re right here. At the very least, threats of leaving will do absolutely nothing to change a devs opinion. They have the metrics themselves to determine if that threat, even if we follow through with it, is relevant.

It’s funny though. I have not seen a single person defend the loot system or say they’re fine with it. Even you who seem to mind it less than I do sa its “total dogpoop” :).

Sure, but V2s loot system is also garbage. Not as bad as this. I personally feel Darktide plays better and I’m genuinely impressed by the gunplay. Ranged combat always felt flaky to me in V2.

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Let’s put things clear here, so we are at the same page. The best way we have to give our negative opinion as consumers is to not buy something. I don’t have Darktide.

I’m not blackmailing anyone. I’m not simply crying over “something I don’t like”. The critics around the crafting system are not subjective. It’s not a matter of “taste”, like you’re trying to sign. The crafting is objectively detrimental against players. The system is not fun, not engaging. Even the people here who “defend it” say that we should just ignore it, so the system is not even needed to begin with. It’s only there to hold you down, to make you waste your time, and this fact drives me away from the game (and probably from the company).

It’s actually a conscious business decision from Fatshark to do things that way. They want to keep the “Loot Chasing” feeling alive for as long as possible, and designed a system for it. They did simulations to preview how much time would be needed for you to get the things you want (from what I’ve seen, 20k hours).

So, what’s the point of a system like that? Why waste resources with something that “should be just ignored”, because it’s not needed and it’s there to explore potential unhealthy behavior at our cost? The game launched with a full shop and working psychological FOMO traps. What’s next? This should mean something to you. I’m not saying the game is trash or that A or B is evil. I’m making a personal point that I’m not willing to financially support this kind of tendency. And that’s it.

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There’s plenty of people who are ‘fine with it’, but whenever we speak up we get called shills, and boot-lickers, and worse. There’s no useful discussion to be had because there’s a vocal group who believe if they’re rude enough they’ll get their way. We can’t even have a decent discussion on how to improve what we have because as soon as it starts we get people screaming about breaking the locks and and other non-starters.

Personally I’d like a way to grind down whatever equipment we find into some sort of resource and buy/upgrade to exactly what we want over time.

Side note, this post totally smells like astroturfing, and that’s really sad.

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Item locks will continue until Aquilas Sales improve.

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Jokes aside: Once you actually get a few good Blessings unlocked, the system is not all bad. It’s just not “wish it into existence”, but the game is fun and staying on VT2 over DT is missing out in my opinion.
You choice, though.

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:roll_eyes:

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Did anyone read what OP actually wrote?
It’s not about the locks, even though they do suck.

It’s about the whole design of the crafting system.
And yes, if I were in his shoes I wouldn’t buy Darktide either.

I got the game right away at launch (as I loved VT2) and was pretty disappointed about the lack of content and the gacha mechanics but the gameplay was fun for a while. A while too long to refund via steam. But if I could, I would.

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