I main Vet, but vet is by far the worst class in Havoc

Other than the ammo aura, the vet is way too weak if you don’t take PG and DS, I see people calling for nerfs to these two weapons and I 100% agree that they do need huge nerfs since they are by far the strongest weapons in the game, but try playing Vet in havoc without these two, it can be done, but you will see how much weaker he is compared to the other classes.

Ogryn is just busted, too much damage and stagger.

Zealot can get a book every 20 seconds if you get the crit CD talent.

Psyker can take down hordes like they are nothing with his flame staff, and the shield paired wrap siphon has a near 100% uptime.

What does the vet have that is as impactful as what was mentioned above?

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Recon Lasgun

Versatile, can kill snipers, bombers, gunners, decent monstrosity damage.

Deadshot + Shock Trooper

Infinite Ammo

VoC Shout… I don’t think I need to explain this one

Infinite Grenades (I prefer shredder to disrupt hordes)

Focus Target with modifiers: Basically another teamwide aura

Iron will: 50% tdr while above 75% toughness is super good

Suppression Immunity

30% more weakspot damage
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I “main” Psyker and Vet in Havoc. I enjoy vet more atm.

I also think shotguns and hellbore will be surprisingly legit once the balance update drops, same for tactical axes and shock maul.
DS I consider a bit overrated or I’d say vet has good melee options that people sleep on.

I agree: Ogryn is too strong … or let’s say he has 0 skill floor.

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Worst class is the best challenge / skill class, I really liked Ogryn before they made him easy mode =/

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Shout spam?

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While I would love both Zealot and Veteran to get updated trees similar to Ogryn (not on power, but design) and Arbites, Veteran will be fine even if Dueling Sword and Plasma were removed from the game (which they won’t be. They will both probably still be 100% usable).

Especially now with the Tac Axe buffs, and Bolter and Recon Las existing in the state that they are right now, Vets will be fine. I’m sure Helbore will also start to shine more as well.

Doubt they will be meta picks (maybe Agripinaa but jury is still out on that one) but personally looking forward to the combat shotgun changes as well.

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Zealot mains will want to keep vets that way. The moment vets get a little buff. Zealot mains would flood the forums complaining that Vets are OP and need to be nerfed.

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Vet is clearly suffering from lack of weapon choices and build diversity. But current best options provide solid impact on high difficulties, you just need to understand your job clearly: take down specialists and gunners asap. Some games you can spend 90% of the time with range weapon doing your part.
Right now you better have a vet in your team, we will see what changes with the arbiter available

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Vet has one of the best abilities in the game and has access to every good weapon necessary to clear havoc. You can easily clear havoc 40 with a heavy sword and revolver, and by the time the patch comes out, you might have options in the taxe, devil’s claw and shock maul as well. Even if those are not preferred, the meta melee for vet with a good team is power sword, and that’s not being nerfed. Vet has a lot of options, stop limiting yourself.

4 voc vets is one of the strongest team comps for havoc. 200 yellow toughness available at any given moment, each class able to properly cycle a constant 50 toughness or more depending on the special situation. This triples as a full toughness restore for individuals and huge aoe stagger. You have nade spam, monster damage node, rending nodes, weapon’s specialist for free crits, marksman’s focus for incredible ranged damage, and focus target for free damage.

Sure, vet seems like the weakest class in the game, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t able to clear havoc and stand in damage with other players. You’re the team special sniper, toughness supply, aoe damage/horde clear, and main stagger source, all in a single character. Zealot has to sacrifice a large portion of its damage and talent tree to bring chorus and knives, and loses momentum during chorus. Psyker isn’t reliable nor has the sustain to play melee. The only class that is outright better in every way than vet is Ogryn, the most recently buffed class that is outright better than every class in the game.

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Paranoia, zealots do not care.

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They definitely do, Zealot players were the only ones who ever complained “they can’t regen toughness in melee”, because Vets or Psykers kill enemies too fast…

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Havoc is a steaming pile. I wouldn;t worry about it.

Dev’s applied an IQ of 2 to it… just made it an enemy spam.

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I’ll second this and go further. I hope that for as long as havoc remains as it is, that classes, weapons etc. are not balanced around havoc.

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oh no!
enemy spam in a *checks notes * horde game

bruh this some skill issue ahh take

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Veteran is more than strong enough for Havoc considering you’re using his best tools, but he heavily suffers from an extreme lack of build diversity.
Some people like to say he’s “not a ranged class anymore, he’s hybrid”, but why do they act as if that was a good thing? Loss of identity is not a good thing.

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As a vet, your priority should be specials, rangers and elites.

Use DS for specials will help boost your shout refresh for the entire team. Stay close to your psykers for they will gain high aggro overtime.
They will need your gold shout more than most.
You can run bolter for a bit more crowd control to get teammates in and out of positions if they are stuck. 1 bolter shot should disable most range suppression fire.

Vet is build to see and monitor the field of view. Try to stay mid to flank if not running power sword.

If you still don’t feel safe, try to run smoke, it’s a very difficult nade, it does 0 dmg but it break range line of fire and stop some specials. It can also go against you if not used properly.

There are no good substitutes for DS or PS in H40 at the moment. Most weapons not only feels weak against hordes, but it also don’t compliment with the teammates all that much.

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I will wait till the shotgun buffs, then try it on the veteran again.

no reason to stop playing duelling sword in havoc, even if they nerf it, its still the best for vet for mobility and safety

for ranged weapons i’ve just been playing bolter all along, but aside that if you are a Plasma Gun enjoyer you should not stop playing that either, if what emerged from the chineese forum is true it gets a buff on his strong attack, and i can’t wait to try that in havoc myself

what vet is suffering most is lack of identity, it got reduced to a nothing class because letting him shoot with his gun was troublesome for discord zealots

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Veteran is the jack of all trades master of none class. Therefore, his success rate depends on the kind of team he has.

Most are scorabord chasing, so he doesn’t get to do much o nthose teams.
The teams that move properly and dont priortise kills he shines in and can easily be the difference between a win and loss.

The problem of our times, is perspective. Ogryn is super OP because hes meant to use that to tank for his team, not pretend hes a solo.

Zealot does almost nothing except for book. Im serious.

Psyker is support. Supports without dmage, like tanking, are boring. And woldnt fit in DT. He has great aoe and surv but in a different way to Ogryn, these 2 are the most important classes.

Vet has VoC. If the team is a good teamwork team, the Ogryn and Zealot wil lactually be engaging threats rather than fighting to snipe a Spec in the middle of a melee blob wit htheir ranged out allowing pressure on the Vet/psyker/ranged/dps whatever. Vet can and should be able to kill every spec, know their cues and where theyre coming from unless there 10+ o nthe field. This is a lot of VoC cd. The problem is most are chasing kills, fighting Vet for the specs, and therefore he can’t spam VoC as often.

Vet has Recon. His bread and butter. Constant sustained ranged dps. Helps everyone else doing their jobs. If he has Lasgun he’s popping these things like no tomorrow if theres space but in most games he’ll have to have his shovel out while the melees are kill chasing. This is a lot of possible dps o nthe team because Vet isnt being able to do his job, if he has to get melee out when he shouldnt. Coherency isnt just a mechanic its an actual skill and tactic.

Vet has nades. He can support with AoE or with Kraks to take out big targets. Anyone that says Kraks are bad isnt a good Vet, both have their place in different teams and more importantly depending how certain players play their classes. The same Ogryn build played w spam will benefot from Frag support. A good coherent (get it?) team will benefot more from Kraks.

Vets perks and buffs are mostly static. Theyre lower but always on. His ranged weakspot, his melee damage, its all constant witha few buffs but theyre not exactly necessary for anything. Some is proc/situationally reliant but in general he has good static buufs that has permanenent uptime but theyre lower because of this than other classes. He’s a support. Whether that be supproting the front, the back, ranged or melee, he amplifies the team by overseeing the field and his teammates.

Helbore was already good, its gonan be interesting to play it in the next update where you dont need to aim.

Vet is boring. Reliable but also team dependent… if your team sucks, and most do, youre not gonig to be the force multiplier that the class is because theres simply very little to multiply You’d be better on 2nd psyker or 2nd Ogryn from a meta perspective. Its jus tgaming in 2025, people wanted rid of gatekeepers now the skill level is so low you can squeeze under the gate through the dirt, not open it, and say you’re Houdini.

Shovel is underrated af, its way better than the DS but people only see ‘boom headhsot’ these days.

Vet is a jack of all trades master of none that is the most team reliant class not for survivibility but in terms of what he will be able to output during the match. He has the least defined role (kill specs kill ranged cover the psyker amplify the team if youre have a team, and just solo if you have solos. Most players in Havoc are trash, so you wont be able to do what you could be most of the time).

If you can play Vet well, all weapons and builds, you’ll really enjoy the gameplay DT has instead of playing for kills. So if you arent enjoying it, try a different class. Youve got to pick one thats you.

I’m gonna be honest

I know this is good in Havoc, alongside Boltgun

But Recon is so boring to play with man, I want to hit some sick headshots one after the other

I’ll miss PG in Havoc if they make it not good there

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I’d genuinely like more recoil on the Recons and maybe a token buff in the form of increased stagger. No damage though. Just some feedback to firing the thing that isnt a burn proc you can hardly see.

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