to a point, right now single player stands i front of the delivery belt that is the portal and goes nomnomnom with easy.
couple shooties nudge you to reposition briefly until you come back to the picknick table.
final wave spawns 3 bosses, big boom says otherwise 
ā¦ the end.
5 or 6 really challenging waves, generating tension for 15-20 minutes would be the sweet spot to make it a fun threadmill instead of a chore, yes.
apparently one can get this plasma trinket by finishing mortis in under 25 minutes:
i wish it would be clearer stated somewhere.
like others said. too easy, too boring, not rewarding.
these new āboonsā are creative, really like a lot of them, but these should be in a CHAOS WASTES-like mode, which a lot of players wanted, asked, not in a wave-based mode. with random weapons with random stats. most maps have the same intersections anyway.
the only stuff I could think of, so this mode is somehow become useful:
Yeah I noticed that today actually. I thought the rounds were basically determinedly timed anyway so canāt understand too much on how to get under 25 mins lol.
Itās a cool trinket so I want it!
Completing the objective waves faster, for example, can help with getting a faster run. o7
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I been loving it yet rage quitting foos been ruining it even on malice when I play it properly and go to revive clutch the quitters crash the game and ruin the last wave to where I end up at main menu @FatsharkStrawHat
A complete and total waste of time but I knew it would be that before it even came out. Funny thing is the casuals will love it cuz I played with someone yesterday who said it was fun as hell after a game but I was rather bored cuz I play hi shock all day. I just cant believe we waited all this time for another update and we didnt get any new weapons. What was that months ago about veteran getting things because he didnt in the last update? Surely they werent teasing something 6 months in advance that would be hilariously stupid. Also even if they made these trials more difficult I still wont care about them so its irrelevant to me. If I ever need more penance points Iāll play but thats about it.
Good initial launch, solid framework to build on, needs tuning.
Game mode is fun enough (itās intended for a more casual audience than this forum), Iād argue that it feels very boring / sloggy for at least the first 4 waves and my suggestion would be to cut the spawns in half early on to accelerate through those stages as the overall time investment feels high even on lower difficulties. The mechanism of adding rogue-lite buffs works well enough, I think thereās opportunities for tuning there in terms of both the buff pools and in terms of giving players more decisions to make, but a solid baseline. I didnāt determine whether there was a rhyme or reason to the objective levels (will pay more attention next time) but Iād suggest they could use some tuning / better expectations-setting as well - the ādefend this pointā is great, but as soon as one person gets there the marker disappears off the map and if youāre playing with headless chicken pugs they donāt realize (no visual cue?) that thereās even an event going on two rooms away.
I donāt gripe that high difficulties are āboringā compared to auric/havoc because, duh, theyāre not auric/havoc difficulties. Clearly has room to grow (can add auric/maelstrom/havoc modifiers and difficulties eventually) but a solid start. To be seen if it remains popular after first week but I think the novelty of the rogue-lite buffs system will be a draw for a decent portion of the population. Would also appreciate another map or twoā¦ am grateful they launched with more than one, but Iād argue at least 4 is the sweet spot.
By this I mean itād be nice if holding TAB showed you the below (and ideally these would be randomly determined or follow a pseudo-set order, but the point is you could look ahead):
then please consider our havoc critique in the other threads as well to pass along.
as of know i twiddle my thumbs with no matches showing during daytime and rather frustrating encounters in the evening, when all i want is play and record some cool matches to upload.
i might not have a huge channel worth of a huge audience but i find joy and passion in delivering my best possible darktide content.
meanwhile its capped at auric maelstrom as an āreliable sourceā due to issues out of my control and access, which is frustrating to say the least.
thank you for your āmessengerā service
Yes, I have been going through all the threads! I didnāt comment on all of them though. Havoc and Mortis Trials.
I am interested in your thoughts too Index!
I like it.
As a game-mode I think the core elements were implemented well. The two maps are pretty good, although the Mechanicus one feels a little less interesting to play, but I do like that they have their own little touch of flavour with the objectives rounds. The buff system is nicely done with some very interesting upgrades; if youāve not played a Brain Rupture psyker and thus not played with the āInfectious Headacheā buff, wow, you are missing out! It makes me wish it were a standard ability and is definitely the outstanding buff for me for pure maniacal fun. Also, Iām glad theyāve recycled the Moebian 21st and the Nurgle mutation event enemies.
On difficulty, they should absolutely add an Auric difficulty, where they crank it up. If that proves too easy still, they should create a penalty system which would replace the buffs. Things should get tough when youāre fighting at that difficulty, so let Sefoni make it harder, make players choose the lesser of three evils in an Auric difficulty.
My biggest concern is that FS will now abandon the mode. Iāve seen it too often in games that a new mode comes out and it is instantly dropped by the development team, leaving it to immediately wallow in its uncertain state. They should absolutely push this mode further and not just in terms of difficulty but giving us more maps; they have the assets already, so why not use them for the Trials? I know new enemies would be asking for the moon, but, hell, why not ask anyway?
After having it pointed out to me, I appreciate that we can revisit dialogue collected in the Psykhanium.
If we could get something similar for the other dialogue we hear in the game that would be cool too. Preferably in a way that is level gated rather than being required to hear it in a match; some of that dialogue you will literally never hear because it only happens when leveling a new character and there are only 5 slots. Just seems like a lot of wasted effort on the VAās part.
I like trials so far, probably should tweak it to be harder like everyone said. Maybe just add more boss spawns? Felt like I only fought 3? Unsure, only had time for one damnation match.
If it supposed to be the āroguelikeā mode, you can stand to balance it in a way that is hard to beat if you donāt get the crazy indulgences.
Havenāt played havoc changes yet. Although with the new ranking system, it kind of discourages me from helping people at a rank that I donāt feel comfortable being able to solo. If I canāt solo X rank and it is below my current rank, Iām not gonna join to help and risk losing a level because my team canāt carry their weight.
Even if they showed us the recent data, so what? They had 100,000 concurrent players at launch.
Most of us who caution against making the same mistakes as Vermintide are trying to save the game for a GENERAL AUDIENCE. Not making decisions based on ādat wuz fun lolā.
This goose is cooked. More and more people saying āit needs more difficulty tiersā.
It needed to be incorporated into the mission board! As Havoc should have been! Stop asking for more siloed game modes!
Iāve been loving it! Huge potential with this mode.
Some thoughts so far:
thanks for the reply,
as for havoc a lot in my opinion comes from the restricted access rather than the content itself.
yes, meta centrism is a downer if it leads to too many ārejectionsā, but to be expected if things are at stake.
honestly, the outlook on losing 50 minutes of invested time should be āpunishmentā enough.
whereas i cant imagine it was in anyones interest to have the party finder barren (eu servers 12am to sayā¦ 17ish, ever so often taking a peek between maelstroms)
now, wishful thinking purely based from my player perspective:
new havoc:
Ā°free choice of modifiers (thus creating the āscaleā based on how many one feels able to do)
Ā°free map pool to do so (sometimes a group needs āwarmupā in sycorax before trying clandestium)
Ā°no demotions or restrictions in the choice of ārankā (see point 1)
maybe the team would like to stay together for the whole day, but failing once triggers that flight reflex now given the 3 strike system
so far my impression is even ābiggerā streamers not seeing havoc as content source.
got no plans on growing huge BUT i still settle for no less than giving my best in the favorite game i got right now.
not getting the option to create something, i need to āfillā with auric maelstro matches.
lets say its locker room vs super bowl and i can understand why the audience wants the later.
i mean darktide doesnt draw in huge numbers like competitive games, but from a developers point of view its still free āmarketingā and exposition, right?
mortis trials as a concept has potential and i take this is only the first step.
few critique points would be as a stark opposite to havoc the lack of a challenge (damnation as max when you just finished a C I VI with ease)
the map design reminds of doom eternal arena action, thing is all darktide enemies lack the speed and ability to traverse larger distances fast.
in an arena you need to be āhoundedā, fast repositioning, kiting etc.
bad pun intended, in a tide game you get āswarmedā
theres a fundamental difference seeing enemies in advance, approaching and thus holding choke points.
with the current player powers, everything up until bosses wont break this composition (well maybe the odd fire grenade but still)
so in order to not just sit out the first 6 waves by the spawn and soak em up, like others here already proposed, condensed number of waves with more challenging enemy compositions and auric maelstrom as a top difficulty choice.
hope this wall of text isnt to cluttered as it was written without āscriptā and āfrom the hipā
Funnily enough i personally think it can be more fun to delay some of the objectives, especially on the carnival map because then you might actually get some decent density and boss spawns before the last 2 waves.
Bit of an double edged sword in terms of design tough.
For me, this mode feels more like a demo or maybe an early prototype for testing missions and spawns during development. Itās definitely missing the sense of accomplishing something together. Even the difficulty is an insult to the game we all know.
Too easy, it needs auric difficulty, every wave needs to be more thick, enemies must to spawn in much larger quantities. Like thereās wave where monsters spawn one after each other, well game need spawn them at once and then some more, i barely see maulers or crushers there.
I like buffs there, at least buffs for grenades, but we need way higher amount of enemies, i think x10 amount of what we get for each wave currently.
We can all agree there needs to be way more enemies 
But, has anyone noticed how DAMN AMAZING the Ogryn feels with that 15-20% dodge buff?! He feels so good!
Man I wish I could dodge like that and have replenishing grenades in the normal missions lol