Yeah, sure. But even if they couldn’t, our beloved Bloody Battering Ram is a cut above real life knights anyways. Sir Krubah (HaHAA!) should be more than capable of skewering stuff on a spear. Maybe he just doesn’t feel like it. Maybe because the devs thought that would be good for balance.
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I thought I was the only one…
Although it’s been fun reading this 
Elf needs a samurai sword so I can go full weeb.
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Anyway try to read again what I wrote.,but this time with understanding.
First the vampire and now this? The Witch Hunters would like a word with you!
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How is bill hook even similar to Kruber’s Halberd? Because it has an overhead and a push and a jab? It’s completely different.
Differences:
- the hook tech. Completely unique to bill hook and synergizes very well with Mainstay for elite damage.
- you don’t block cancel for hordes.
- infinite dodge count
- has a move tech
- very little move slow
- actually too many to name
Similarities:
It’s on a stick.
Kruber Spear:
Differences:
- completely different damage profile than elf
- push has the same push strength as a shield
- innate block cost reduction
- the push stab and heavy sweep stagger through armour and have Tank modifier
- Different attack pattern
- lower mobility than elf spear.
Similarities:
It looks kinda similar.
Flame Flail is actually really similar to salts flail. However, heavy 1 is an overhead which makes it substantially better for armor. Also, you can still use the tech on sienna flail but not on salts.
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I don’t think it regards the real life… it’s just a balance’s issue. Kruber is my main: would I like to play FK with spear? Sure. But something tells me that this would not be a good idea. I find the Spear is one the most funny and balanced weapons, and it makes Merch and Hunts more unique. While FK is a wonderful tank with a great toughness… I would not give him also too attack power.
I would not want ruin this balance. Then I would not like to see any future nerf.
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Dude, you’ve made several uninformed statents in this discussion, then pretty much declared you had no idea what you were talking about. So maybe you’ll be so nice and clarify, what’s your point. Mine is - people like you should educate themselves before making bold statements.
It’s not like I didn’t give you visual reference, it’s not like I didn’t mention wiki. So this whole “but in polish pole weapons are lance and halberd” is just sad. It means you didn’t even bother to check the facts.
For sure. They gave the spear several properties that are similar to shields. Giving a weapon that is basically a shield with decent damage to a class like FK that has such strong synergy with stagger weapons would be a little OP, tbh.
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No, I wrote clearly that the pole weapon which is the lance or simmilar was used by the knights only for horse fighting. Long spears was used for foot fighting by infantry, not by knights, used primarily against cavalry (knights on horse). All exceptions, because knight was dismounted and lose his sword in battle or other weapon, are not a rule.
However, you speak about some other types of weapons that in my translation are considered blunt weapons (luceran hammer and bec de corbin) not as pole weapons, and as you read above I wrote myself that knights could use such weapons ( e.g. mace).
And yes, in Polish language have many kinds of pole weapons and they have diffrence, however, they all relate to very long weapons from 2.5 m up. Only one who don’t know what talkin about here didn’t even bother to check the facts is you pal.
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/topics/pollaxe/
“Pollaxe (or poleaxe) is the English word for what Fiore and Vadi call an acca/azza. Together with the spear, it was one of the primary knightly weapons for fighting on foot (the sword being usually secondary) in the later 14th,15th and first part of the 16thC’s.”
The author of the article is Matt Easton, who does have at least some authority on the subject.
And to quote mr. Easton a bit more, “context”. If the knights/men-at-arms were used as heavy cavalry and not expected to dismount, yes, their primary arms would’ve likely been the lance. If they were heavy infantry, they used infantry weapons, likely depending on expected opposition - against lighter infantry, spears, against heavier infantry (armored similarly to themselves) pollaxes and other, similar heavier pole weapons.
For the context of this game, all of this pretty irrelevant, though. While the cultures, weapons and appearances are based loosely in real-world history, they’re nowhere near the same and they have their own twists and tweaks. I’ve understood that the primary reason FK didn’t get the spear was a lore reason - someone mentioned that the Empire Knights generally view the spear as a peasant weapon. Balance may play part of it, but it’s not necessarily the only reason. (And yes, it would be interesting to try out the Spear on FK.)
Oh, yeah, on the actual topic: all of the weapons are useful, at least. Kruber’s Spear feels different enough to Kerillian’s (mainly because of the Career context and the heavy attacks’ chaining) though still quite strong; Throwing Axes are fun to use and powerful, but pretty much balanced through the (relatively) long recall time, lower precision and low ammo count; Sienna’s Flail seems useful enough, though I haven’t gotten into it that well yet, the Billhook is awesome at taking care of Elites and deals with hordes as well as any other pole weapon; and Spear and shield works, though due to it being limited to Handmaiden only and its fighting style being quite one-sided, I find it to be the least fun of the new weapons.
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Whaaat?
I’ve used word “poleaxe” several times. Gave you pictures. Referenced wiki.
Yet you still failed to distinguish this weapon from “broń drzewcowa” (right?) in Polish, even though you should have known, it’s the FULL name that counts.
So stop lying about me not checking the facts - once again - it appears that you are either talking via google translate OR you totally failed to check the pictures and links I gave you because that’s the only way for you to mistake poleaxe for halberd or pike.
Yes, I support the translator because English is not my native and first language ( but I know few more) My knowledge of this language does not come from school and I’ve never had a teacher. I learned myself using the Internet, movies, games etc. I have never hidden it and I have written about it a few times in this forum. I speak fairly well, but writing is somethimes problematic. Am I worse because of that?
Word “poleaxe” as noun in polish translation by (g-translator) means “topór rzeźnicki” - the butcher’s axe. You think this is good translation? Check yourself if u want. Broń drzecowa = pole weapons and usually refers to weapons longer than 2 - 2.5 who looks like lance or halberd not like bec de corbin or luceran hammer.
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This is the worst translation I’ve seen in quite some time, hence it’s always a good idea to check the pictures 
Anyway, I’m happy we have this whole thing behind us. Cheers!
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Billhook is good.
Spear is hilariously strong.
Throwing axes are a nice new addition and they synergize extremely well with RV’s 25% power talent for example.
Fire Flail is strong, especially on Unchained (BW even), especially with stagger THP talent.
I don’t play Elf.
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Cheers
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I think that movements of spear fits better with a halberd 
Generally spears in Vermintide have weird moveset. At least Kerilion’s spear has this long, broad blade, so it KIND OF looks to be capable of effective sweeps (I used to spam push attack 24/7 as Limbmaiden), but Kruber’s? There should be a whole ton of different pokes and that’s it.
I mean - if axe can have 100% hacking armour piercing attacks, then why can’t the spear be the poking equivalent?
Spear is a very nice spot. Good crowd control but low damage vs armors. We must not give it also the ability to penetrate armors.
But did you read what I’ve said? 
Poking equivalent of axe. Is axe the king of crowd control?
Edit:considering the current axe situatio, naaah, no one would want anything close to it.
Have I quoted you? Nope 
I was speaking in general.
p.s: anyway imho much better how it’s now than an Axe equivalent.
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