Yeah, the consequence is YOU LEAVING. You do understand this, right?
Of course it is, if they don’t get a replacement. And what about people picking up grims halfway through the map?
I think at this point you are just building your arguments on pointless quibble so… in short:
Don’t act like an @$$hole we get your point.
You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill dude, it’s a minor inconvenience at best.
The same logic you’re using of " people need to play X characters with X traits in order for me to have a good time" could literally be turned around and used for the 3 other people that have to deal with you. If you’re this hot and bothered about it then play with bots or not at all.
This thread has run it’s course.
Seriously this whole post is a mountain made from a molehill. Zealot is already a very simple and safe career to play, the only thing you’re asking is for a cute little QoL change. It’s not a big deal if you’re not on 6 stacks 24/7, you don’t immediately lose all of that, you progressively get weaker as you get healed. And that passive healing takes several minutes to take away your stacks, so if you so desperately want that 1 or 2 stacks back, then just take some damage? Just walk in front of a horde and you’re good, then kill it to get all your HP back. Like honestly what’s the issue? The whole point of Zealot is that as you lose health, you become stronger, and yet staying at full tHP is not good enough apparently. Not to mention that QP involves generally legend, maybe Cataclysm if you’re up there, and since you talk about taking grims, then you definitely don’t need that little 5% boost on Legend.
And mate, you really need to calm it. You just can’t fathom that people disagree or don’t really care about this.
Not to mention that you literally try and demand people to change their playstyle otherwise you leave. You’re asking people to use a different build from the one they’re using, or even just forbidding GK to be at his full potential by fulfilling all of his quests. You yourself are impacting 3 people in the team, just so you won’t be inconvenienced.
Just TAKE SOME DAMAGE. Literally just take some hits. What do you MEAN 0 stacks?
You are being obnoxiously pedantic. I have every right to leave any match for any reason, or no reason at all. And it’s not like that leaves them a man down, I am immediately replaced by a bot and most likely another player. Hardly worth the definition of a consequence. Me staying and playing with no stacks, that feels more like a consequence, not just to me, but the entire group. Or me constantly having to take damage passed my temp hp into green to maintain stacks constantly threatening my Mortality cooldown. That feels more like a consequence. I’m not so arrogant to believe that my presence is necessary to their success in the first place. I just want to be effective at what I do. And I’m not asking for much to be able to do that.
Are you ok?
You want the thread to stop, then stop conversing with me. The thread ran its course 23 hours ago. It makes little difference how much you guys protest or glorify my idea. It’s there for Fatshark to read. It’s not up to any of us whether my idea goes live. So we are all just urinating into the wind here.
And my attitude, which you all find so objectionable, doesn’t make a difference as to what becomes live and what doesn’t.
Ok fellas I think it’s time to just let it go; this has well and truly derailed.
And yet you made the thread.
Honestly no. I’m sick of trying to combat the constant derailments of this thread. People putting words in my mouth at every turn. Trying to change definitions of established english words to discredit me. It wouldn’t be “a mountain out of a mole hill” if I wasn’t forced to constantly defend myself from what people have imagined I said instead of what I actually said.
It could have been “that’s a cool idea” or “i don’t think it is necessary”. We could have discussed all of that and been done with this hours ago. But because I friendly fire people who deliberately heal me with a medpack, my original idea is suddenly a huge pile of drama. Well so be it.
Contextually your comment makes no sense.
I think hyperbolic is quite accurate.
You act as if playing zealot at full health is impossible. His melee stats at full health are virtually identical to WHC and BH while still having a great ultimate on a short CD… 6 stacks zealot is literally broken. The only class that can have even close to comparable melee dps is Slayer which gives up a ranged slot to do so. (Not counting GK cause it just got released and is obviously overtuned). Sounds like you want to play a multiplayer game with a single player experience. You don’t get to just opt out of one class interaction cause you don’t like it. Play with bots and mods that prevent bots healing you. Or just accept that you are playing a multiplayer game with random strangers and your interactions will vary.
Bro wut? WHC gets tons of bonus crit, flense, built-in bonus headshot damage, and can 1 shot elites. BH is a ranged career. Zealot at full hp gets nothing.
WHC, Shade, and slayer all do comparable melee dps. Right behind that is probably Dagger Pyro and Merc. GK isn’t really even close in melee dps unless you mean strictly single target dps.
That’s a really good one I forgot about. It’s also a perfect example of something that probably shouldn’t be the way it is though. Her passive is already disabled for disablers, doesn’t seem like a stretch to disable it for FF too. Would anybody actually complain about such a change? It’s a bit ridiculous how far a few people in this thread are going to argue that these kind of QoL changes wouldn’t be valuable.
WHC does not do comparable melee dps to zealot no matter what talents you are running. It can’t play anywhere near as agressively, doesn’t get high uptime on bonus attack speed from ult, etc. Shade only does comparable damages on maps with several bosses and access to conc potions. Otherwise depending on what weapon set you run, either your horde killing suffers or your elite killing suffers. Dagger pyro? That can’t be a serious statement. GK with crit talent can outdamage literally any career atm, hence why i said it was overtuned. You can walk through chaos patrols on cata with ease. Idk if you are comparing stuff between Legend or Cata, but I was talking strictly Cata, cause Legend balance is non existent.
Wait, dude, he’s right. Fervency, Flense, Assassin, stacked crit chance. Just aim high, he’s amazingly strong. What he lacks in raw strength he makes up for with his instant kill passive.
your math on all of that is incredibly off
Well at least you provided examples and counter arguments so we could continue the discussion.