Thats the usual for Perteks, best to just ignore him.
I have to admit, the state of the game since engineer’s release has surprised me in a negative way (especially the network changes) and the release of CW needs to be way better than that. Regardless of how CW itself turns out, the base game experience shouldn’t be harmed by the patch that comes along with it.
Please also give the modders some kind of sizable headstart so it won’t take another 2 weeks of crashes and issues to return to normal.
Bugs get fixed by Mitosis.
It’s a fair question to be fair. Any bug that’s reported here in the forums, or steam, or helpdesk, is raised in a bug tracker which the developers work through on a priority basis. If they’re not reported via those channels, they’re not fixed unless they’re found internally.
We plan to have at least one patch out prior to Chaos Wastes.
No, Hedge, let us be fair - it is a loaded question made in response to a loaded opening post. Also answering a question with a question is considered impolite in some cultures. Thanks for the answer though.
But talking about fair: what ‘priority’ applies to bugs already reported? I personally would poop a pound of rainbow if those bugs already reported and marked as ‘acknowledged’ in the ‘Bugs’ section got fixed.
Not to get slammed by vigilant co-readers, I’ll quote some of those that were reported by me personally:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/wrong-tip-about-dodge/27655/2 - still wrong
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/obscured-teammates-outlines/27961/2 - still bugged as craр
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/rain-and-wind-sound-stutters/39973/3 - still jarringly bugged to this day.
Yeah on the whole there are many bugs which get reported here that have remained either unfixed or had their fixes accidentally undone for a very long time
there’s numerous bugs which also get claimed to have been fixed yet remain active such as the current hookrat animation bug.
Also yeah Perteks is definitely trolling with his question. Not the first time, probably won’t be the last lol
Depends on definition of trolling, from my seat it looks more like he´s not intentionally trying to mess things up as a troll would but…well he is undeniably being an elitist or at least rude about it.
What Perteks effectively did was imply that to have the right to complain about the large number of bugs that dont get fixed/take ages to get fixed you must have a record of reporting bugs which is just being…as mentioned above.
By itself it is a fair question, but not in this context.
By asking the question in response to OP´s question Perteks is effectively stating that OP lacks the qualification to complain about the large number of bugs since OP doesnt seem to have reported a lot or any of them.
Which is being elitist and rather condescending.
Well at least according to my knowledge of English, i could be wrong but i think it´s undeniable that Perteks could have worded it better to make it less…provoking.
no no friend they did say CW is coming out this winter so expect this patch in atleast a couple months from now
Let me congratulate you on the past holidays, and express my love, admiration and respect for your hard work.
There are two things that I have been trying to draw your attention to for a long time. They influence my game by a negative and constant way:
Fix it, please. I believe in you!
You need to chill boi.
Fatshark devs need to take vacations too.
They are not robots.
he’s probably referring to all the bugs that have already been reported multiple times through multiple channels
it’s no secret this game has had issues with being a buggy mess at times with a very slow update cycle
Yes. I was 100% aware what Pertek’s intent was. I just preferred he be made to say it instead of me responding to the obvious implication and having him feign outrage about me jumping to conclusions.
That Hedge is defending him and his clumsy attempt to attack my credibility… it makes me just want to stop coming here, not bother trying to interact with Fatshark again. That FS enable and encourage anti-criticism posters like Perteks and Froh is just pathetic.
I don’t think that’s what Hedge meant, you have to remember it’s not like Hedge is going in to the code and fixing these bugs. The community managers do a great job here as far as I’m concerned, but what more can they do then raise these reports internally and hope they get worked on?
So Hedge… you’re saying that if I have not personally reported here about the already well-documented and numerous bugs that were introduced and re-introduced in the OE patch, that I should not complain about them?
- massive network issues (red ping in every lobby)
- increased disconnects
- increased crashes
- enemies spawning close to players
- ghost swings
- enemies hitting through block
- broken animations
- erratic commendation chests
- tomes disappearing on Gardens
- broken enemy pathing on Old Haunts and Warcamp
- broken social-only button
Which of these do you feel is underreported? Which of these would my reporting get them fixed faster or get you to communicate with the community more than sticking an “acknowledged” tag on the reports?
Honest question… do you feel it’s reasonable to leave the game in this state for almost two months?
If the problem is that a bunch of people took vacation after the big patch, have you guys considered not dropping big patches right right before everyone goes on vacation? What if you were to do a beta for these changes instead of pushing them live and breaking the game right before a large influx of sale players come in to find the game in a wildly unstable state?
Tried that - didn’t really change much.
Hedge’s response is going to be the best thing he can give. You asked about if they’re going to fix them, his response says that there is going to be a patch. After that the best thing that could be suggested is to make sure the bugs are as well documented as possible. Are there a ton of reports already? Sure but that pre CW patch isn’t going to get there any faster, nor would I expect them to give a date before they are ready because of the community reaction to missed deadlines.
As for the “anti-criticism” posters don’t take it too personally. Fatshark has a lot of critics (like me) and any critique of the game needs to be counterpointed for it to stand up to scrutiny. Also at the very least I respect Froh’s defenses of Fatshark. I don’t find his posts to be hostile or inciting of the critics he’s responding to.
But for the record I think you are correct that many of the issues are well documented. Also I don’t think you’re not having posted them when they’re already documented means you lose the right to criticize. Hell , the first post on the VT subreddit is a ping /connectivity thread that has been up there for a month.
Which future? Everyone dies in the Chaos Wastes (because f0ck this, it’s the Endtimes anyways) and then say Hello to Darktide.
Hedge’s vague response that they’re planning to do a single unspecified pre-expansion patch is definitely better than continued total silence, but it’s just insulting that they have to be prompted to give even that small bit of info. Why does every little bit of encouraging news have to be dragged out of them?
I know they aren’t blind to the numerous posts across three distinct forums asking about bugs and Chaos Wastes, but I’m struggling to see how it negatively affects their bottom line to simply acknowledge their community’s concerns and let them know they are heard, even if they can’t provide explicit answers.
I don’t think reasonable people are asking for specific dates, and I would hope a game dev company with years of experience would be able to tell the difference between a vocally angry minority and a quieter community at large who just want a bit of reassurance.
As to the “anti-criticism”… I came to this forum quite a bit in the first year after the game launched, but that became less and less after watching so many threads derailed by obsessive posters who would deny anything was ever wrong and who were given free reign to just attack everybody as long as they maintained a veneer of civility.
For better or worse, this seems like the place where one is most likely to get a FS response, but the level of condescending, dismissive elitism that gets dumped on people’s heads, seemingly with FS’s blessing, is incredibly off-putting.