From Reddit: It may be time to bring back mod greenlights - "top" players leaning on QoL mods have too loud a voice in the community calling for balance changes

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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I am sure you would love forcing something i use on your game. you “people” like to dictate what mods should i have forced into my experience or don’t in non competitive game when there’s no normal scoreboard to even compare results.

Fixed it for you!

But there is now an official scoreboard. Why do you need a scoreboard though? Having mods forced on you isn’t just about the comparison with players on a scoreboard…you get that right? It’s about having the experience tainted, like second-hand smoke. It seems that modders are obsessed with other peoples results. Myself as a non modder just want a good experience, untainted. I don’t need to see arbitary numbers at the end of the match. Just like exploding barrels…I can use awareness and “feel” when it’s been a good match.

This sounds more like the modder didn’t continue to support their mod, rather than FS policy?

ZoroDaOtter 42
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Sweet Emperor! Why even bother at that stage :joy:

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comparison is the reason to spend time in multiplayer in the first place .
“is he better or am i”
in case of the former clench your asscheeks and improve
in case of the later enjoy the deep satisfying grin of being the better player.

for all else there’s solo mod or games that allow solo with or without bots from the getgo

under no circumstance is it tolerable to use software that lifts one past ones station if he was reduced to his physical abilities alone, thats the definition of a cheat and utmost disrespect to the others trying their best.

winning isnt the goal of the game if its done by tools rather than the player. such “victory” is insulting to those on board, nothing else.

if everyone’s on the same page then cooperation comes into place naturally.
no one leeching, no one cheating others out of their experience either.
and lo and behold everyone’s playing together rather nicely and look out for each other.

like i wrote above, a dude hops along with every “tool” in the book and claims equal right to be there with those playing “honest”, the experience for all else goes down the shttr.

you are free to use whatever mod you want as am i to only playing with those performing honestly and using them as metric without falsifying the result.

if i want to beat the muscle size a guy in the gym and work myself to failure only to find he’s using 2k gear a month from sources i neither got nor want to pay for all the side effects, he aint the white whale to slaughter anymore but just a roidhead outside competition aka “nonexistent” for my personal journey.

people doing honest hav40 solos are the whale, those lighting their screen like a christmas tree ain’t even playing the same game no more :man_shrugging:

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What game is that! ?!

LMAO one of the two comments there

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I’d say that’s tongue-in-cheek but…

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To be fair, the Qlang hud videos are deliberate satire. Q takes suggestions from the modding discord on how to make their hud more ridiculous.

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You’ve honestly become a colossal pain. If players actually based their game on your stupid advice, every single lobby would be made up of four Inferno Psykers with strictly identical builds. Or Electrokinetic Psykers. Or PBB Ogryns. There wouldn’t be any variety whatsoever; the community would have formulated exactly one build without a single variation. And all four would be running that very same build, not forgetting to throw each other under the bus, of course. The final defeat screen? Doesn’t matter, as long as you’re top of the leaderboard on that screen!

By the way, playing Ogryn is such an unbelievable easy mode, especially in Maelstroms and Havoc 40. Your strong teammates will quickly net-bust you or knock off a hound, and honestly, there’s no other way to stop an Ogryn!

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Guessing you don’t play as Ogryn in H40 then?

Gunners absolutely melt you and being the size of a bus means that you’re impossible to miss and also enemies seem to target-lock an ogryn first and foremost, even if you’re at the back of the team position.

Even with full hp and gunner curios a gunner will melt a full hp/tougness oggy within a few seconds.

Ogryn very much relies on either some sort of team defense like psycher shield, or strong ranged team that picks off gunners etc instantly.

Besides, I thought you played auric anyway? Havoc’s true spice is it’s ranged enemies…very much the core weakness of Ogryn, given his size and speed.

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Playing Ogryn on Auric HISTG is actually harder. There are just as many specialists there, and while they are technically more vulnerable, in practice, it makes almost no difference for an Ogryn. On the flip side, your teammates’ ability to provide immediate backup there is much, much lower than… well, anywhere else. That is why a total team wipe after getting netted just a meter away from a teammate—which seems completely harmless—is the absolute norm

The specific build he is pushing is basically a Zealot on steroids. You just dash out of any danger zone, knocking everyone over like bowling pins—it couldn’t be easier. Even playing a PBB or a Shield Ogryn is way harder, as you actually need to use your brain at least a little bit, rather than just hitting the charge button every 15 seconds

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You like to force something on me but when i wish for something in reverse it is suddenly wrong?

I just love the logic, instead of making quality of life mods part of the game how it happened with dodges or adjusting it to so there’s no need for them, because there’s clearly some reason for their existence that lead to their creation and popularity(are they even popular?), let’s just ban them and make everyone’s experience who can install them as bad as it is for those who can’t.

Yeah, that shows overkill damage and real damage together and don’t show damage taken.

Feelings lose to numbers in accuracy, i had a game recently where i felt bad, but numbers didn’t support, mistakes still were made but they were clearly less than i thought.

How should i judge my new build accurately when i don’t see it’s numbers, how should i know my accuracy if i don’t see weakspot strikes, know how well i dodge if i don’t see damage taken? I need my numbers and i need them accurate not mixed with overkill.

I will(neither will you) never know how good or bad i am if i don’t compare myself with other’s and won’t improve since there’s no clear idea on what to improve upon, wins and losses tell nothing, aside from,maybe, having consistent high havoc clears, but even then how to know what do such results tell more about: player, build, class,luck, all of it?

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For the love of holy nosh, nobody has an issue with actual QoL mods, stop with the strawman already, nobody is buying it.

Ummm, cheating is objectionable anti-social behavior and the other stance is against it?

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I don’t play havoc but ogryn in auric is almost godmode

He isn’t pushing anything that just the build he plays

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Eh, didn’t you want him to play havoc 40 as ogryn because auric is not hard enough? He did. Now suddenly histg is harder.

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Depends on multiplayer, here it is more of point of reference, somewhere like deadlock it sure can be.

It seems to be a problem for redditors, they don’t want me to be free.

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Yes auric and havoc are miles apart. Ogryn in havoc has huge (literally!) weaknesses as I mentioned above.

And yes it is very easy to play him in auric (by a skilled player) due to the difference in ranged enemy DMG.

It’s like comparing chalk and cheese.

Tbh though, all classes are godmode in auric, in the right hands.

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Either way, I can easily play a Charge Ogryn on Havoc 40, because it’s basically a Charge Zealot with all its stats straight-up multiplied by two. And I’ve already played Charge Zealot at Havoc 40. If I can finally beat my procrastination, I’ll prove with actual numbers that Ogryns are one (I assume one of two) of the least-dying characters in Havoc 40

Playing literally the most brain-dead Class+Ability combination, while guaranteed to fall way short of the actual top-tier DPS builds, and still pushing for a ‘competitive’ angle — that’s truly something else

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when growing up there was a very vital lesson:
you put your money where your mouth is when flappin’ your gums.

otherwise it looks hilarious making claims you cant match yourself even in the slightest.

well some guys remain the blind guy complaining about the paintjob their entire life I guess :man_shrugging:

nothing to see here I guess other than jealousy unbound.

guess im pushing something :squinting_face_with_tongue:

but yeah, the moment something is deemed “op” i scrap it from my arsenal.
never used pbb, didn’t bully 3 club when it was the m1 spam and even now, hammer isnt considered “meta” so i guess im still in my set parameters :thinking:

the fun part is for a while i made it a little project matching every callout to a “t” from someone that neither is able to clear what he preaches even with the most blatant op loadout… the goalpost left the milky way for sure and is now bound for lovecrafts ancient ones.

it all comes down to what dudes you play along with.
if everyone’s fine and using the same mods, where’s the problem?

but keep in mind not everyone considers the game to be won by any means but earned through personal improvement :man_shrugging:

take the edge out of darktide and i guess i do ultra nightmare tries instead :thinking:

pve doesn’t mean guaranteed win otherwise whats the point?
maelstrom already is hard to lose, duos the only way to keep em fresh, now I’m spoiled by hav40 and everything else feels rather meh.

add some modded to the gills guys that blast through everything and see every danger 10 miles ahead whats left?

anyways, just some perspective from “the other side”

yep and sadly I can’t look back at auric and say “thats playtime well spent”

for all the stuff i hate about havoc, auric is melk done quick in 3 maelstrom sessions and thats it

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You must be joking right? Are you seriously suggesting the cakewalk of auric (even auric maesltrom) is harder than havoc 40??

Bro…

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Agreed

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The irony of someone who seems to want to play competitively against teammates via number crunching…but abhors the idea of a level playing field.

You want to have your cake and mod it.