It would look like constant passive CDR scaling with % of max hp that is missing, surely? Not necessarily at a 1:1 ratio ofc.
playing without twbs is kinda atrocious, can be very tanky but being perma stunned so quick at the same time. the only time you can push with that build is by using chorus and nothing else
Corrected for you
I don’t adhere to any of your propositions
Martyrdom is fine as is. So, there is no reason to try breaking something that works great.
However, there is a reason to try fixing what is not good and totally situational.
Actually the only use I have seen explained and that can have an use, is using martyr’s purpose to activate shroudfield when you get hit.
That’s not really how martyr’s purpose should work… but at least, this is the only use of this talent. I would say that I don’t like that this only use is to promote… escape strategies.
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I mean yeah, that’s kinda the point xD you chorus to walk in to the fight, then tank, then rinse repeat the process as needed. It’s not the MOST effective thing but it does work rather well, you do have to be good at aiming with the revolver though as that’s your main source of dealing with gunners/reapers.
This is mostly just a tank build though, getting stunned doesn’t really matter when you’re just light attacking everything with an evis, and as stated when gunners/reapers enter the picture you either shoot them, or get your chorus back through damage and pop it to walk up to them with no issue.
It’s in no way the ‘best’ highest ceiling Zealot build (got plenty more of those in various capacities), but to me this feels like ‘the floor’ for a zealot. Least amount of input variety, maximum profit. It’s the build that ‘started me off’ when it came to Zealot (thanks to wounds not needing high rolls on curios) and it still functions just fine. I’ve never really felt an issue with it during the times I go back to play it.
(I will also say this is a ‘antithesis to how most play zealot’ build to though, you kinda just sit in the fight permanently and dodge only to the degree you need to. It’s not really ‘free flowing’ like how most build Zealot/how a lot of my other builds function. You just sit there like slightly movable rock until you win, hence the fire grenade to lean into that purpose too).
WHAT!? A radical change to a straightforwardly-functioning keystone I don’t recall every getting a lot of criticism isn’t a popular idea?
I don’t believe you.
Oh, I get it. You’re being sarcastic. Or maybe even ironic.
Lot of people use it and think that this keystone is good.
I really think that this keystone is good. My main problem is that there is no CDR that is really done for this keystone.
So, no I was not ironic.
And zealot is the class I play the most. I must say that most of my builds are critical ones. Just cause of CDR nodes.
That’s why I believe firmly that Martyr’s purpose has to be changed. Cause this is the node that could make non critical builds good.
considering martydom is a build based also on toughness/damage reduction, martyr’s purpose works as well, some may take also the one on backstab, but also possible to use martydom builds with invocation of death if you are using a weapon that has decent crits.
That’s how I see it also
I don’t see even one reason to take this node. Not one.
If I use martyrdom, I will try to let others the medicae charges. I will avoid healing to get the most of the martyrdom bonus.
And also, when I get damaged, I would need to have used my ability right before, to take advantage of it.
Well, my experience is that such conditions rarely apply and that this node is really useless.
As I say, the only smart idea about using martyr’s purpose that I have read, is to use it to be able to go stealth when damaged. Well, for me, this is not the best use of a talent.
Honestly, this one is good with weapons that allow to take advantage of this node. But a slow weapon won’t work good with that. In fact few weapons are really good with this CDR.
Also, I don’t like shroudfield and chorus. SO unless I want to go to inexorable judgment, I won’t go for this CDR node. To be honest, I use it only on my dagger assassin build.
But this is a personal feeling.
This CDR is good… but I don’t see using it with a martyrdom build cause I won’t take same weapons for this CDR node and also for martyrdom keystone. And here, this is not personal, I don’t see anything that could push me for this.
That’s my problem… you have to go for critical.
Like close to all my builds. Maybe having an other option than going critical would be good.
But, this is not really the topic (I realize after writing all this). For me “I shall not fall” is perfect. Cause as you said, martyrdom is also something that relies on TDR. The bonus is really good for this.
However, Martyr’s purpose is for me the node that should be changed. And I proposed something in the thread about it:
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won’t work good with that because you assume it wouldn’t work well or because you didn’t try?
some weapons for some reasons still work good, even with thammer which for some reasons procs the backstab hits even if you hit in front of enemies due to the angle of heavies etc.
but taking that CDR means you are going to do a different build most of the times.
but i agree usually that zealot is built kinda in an universal way and there is no variation much, if i were to use evis i wouldn’t even use with martydom anyway.
could be interesting maybe, but i’d have to need to have in-game to see if it would work well with all type of ults
the martyr’s purpose i feel like it is taken because of chorus, but you can also take invocation of death which is kinda better with a crit weapon and chorus always ready thanks to the crits CDR.
so i agree maybe to the fact martyr’s purpose is not very used much because others can be good
As I said, here this is personal. So, don’t take what I say as an opinion on the game. As I said, this CDR is good. I don’t deny it.
That’s just that I won’t take it for the weapons that I use with martyrdom.
And I know that you can use backstab with any weapon. I use the +20% damages on backstab with my combat axe.
That’s really just cause I use shroudfield only on 1 build (over the 15-20 I use). Chorus, I don’t even think to have one.
And maybe, following this discussion, I will try again this node and will create an inexorable judgement build. But I don’t see a reason to go for this node when using martyrdom. But again, totally personal.
As I said, the topic is about I shall not fall. And for me I shall not fall is fine.
And if there’s something to change / fix / improve, this is martyr’s purpose that is, in my mind, really bad. But this is an other topic (the one I quoted).
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understandable
i think martyr’s purpose work well if you were happen to have restoring faith, and shield of contempt. but restoring faith was nerfed -5% in the recent patch. so martyr’s purpose it has been nerfed as well because of that cause regen less health which is also less ult in cause you were happen to be hit. still good but it depends also your playstyle etc. you don’t have to be always low health and benefit more for the costant TDR/DR which reduces incoming damage and you gain constant ult reduction (just useful with chorus in the end tbh).
with a crit/martydom/dodge based build then a bit different cause you would benefit more from the damage you gain from being low health and thanks to the dodge build you have survivability with that and i’d take invocation of the death. so yea martyr’s purpose for now works only in few instances with certain ult (chorus) and few weapons that are very low crit
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