Crushers? What crushers? I swear I saw them here just a second ago.
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Duelling swords are at the level of plasma gun and revolver. Perfect balance.
More seriously, you can one shot a crusher with a revolver on veteran. Duelling swords are less powerful than that.
You just need to get used to the new balance…
There is no balance to be found here my friend, this is absurd.
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As is crushers killed in a one shot with a revolver on a veteran…
At least with duel sword, you take a risk
Tested: even with Thrust you are far from a one hit kill for a crusher… and by far.
Zarona revolver is still stronger… and you don’t even take a risk (as it is a ranged weapon)
1043 dmg, 1434 with a critic. Means 3 to 4 hits, and fully charged (3 stacks) with thrust.
So, considering plasma guns/revolver, we are far from the damages level of these greatly balanced weapons.
Sidenote: I have played with this weapon… but I actually play with the achlys combat axe and plan, after that, to play with tactical axe… so, this is not my all day weapon… far from that.
I am playing this game less and less because of stuff like this. I don’t think the game is headed in a very good direction because of all the OP things they refuse to touch.
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With the right set up you can easily 2 shot heavy Crushers with a Dueling Sword. And it’s much easier to set up in actual games than the Revolvers one shot.
Revolver is still boringly strong but the Mk 4 Dueling sword is in the same realm, paired with its high mobility and decent horde clear.
It really does it’s best to make the Thunder Hammer look bad, and it succeeds on all fronts besides maybe boss damage.
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Thrust? You’re using precognition! And duelist in the tree. And getting an 80+% crit rate with riposte, scourge and blazing piety.
It’s drilling through everything.
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Boss damage is also insane if you’re using invisibility.
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With Ultimate + Uses Ammo + Need to gain Crit Stacks + 25% Carapace Perk + Keystone Nodes.
Just as saying Evis MK XI 1 shot crusher with ultimate.
Duel Sword are cleaning the maps as a vacuum, i cant keep up.
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Evis oneshotting is fair, you get locked and it has few dodges.
DS just has no comparable downsides.
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if you take Duelist passive and uncanny strike blessing, it’s 2 hits. And it’s quite good at dispatching monstrosities if you’re confident enough to dodge their attacks and land weakspot hits consistently. Still, far from overpowered as you trade off some of the horde clear efficiency of, for example, Rashad with brutal momentum. I, for one, am happy there’s now an alternative to fast armored-special killer weapon that is not a combat knife
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I agree, it’s just so ridiculous because these attacks that should deal a lot of damage at the cost of being locked into an animation are often times just way worse than simple heavy attacks on a knife or duelling sword, which allow you to maintain mobility and even deal even more DPS.
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I agree… there are things more powerful in this game…
And they are not nerfed.
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Im sure if you also get a duelist precog thrust Futf charge to a weakspot it probably does insane damage.
don’t be “sure”
Test yourself.
I have given the values… a critic is 1474 damage. Far from the one shot. 3004 if you use the ultimate, again not a one shot (ultimate + 3 stacks of thrust).
and to the one that said me that a revolver is harder to one shot… at worst you will need 2 shots on veteran. And you take no risk. You are far away of the area of damage of the crushers weapons.
What is the difficulty to aim for the big head of a crusher?
Dueling sword on zealot is absolutely ridiculous, yeah. It’s hilarious to me that it was balanced only because it was a psyker-exclusive weapon.
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Trivialisation of Crushers is mainly DS Mk IV issue. The anti-armour power difference between Mk IV, and Mk V is massive, Mk II somewhere in the middle. For whatever reasons Mk IV also has superior light attack slash directions, which allow for easier headshots 
Game “design”.
Just to be crystal clear. Zealot using Duelling Sword Mk IV can one-shot crushers, or anything else that’s not a Monstrosity.
Dueling sword on a Zealot is busted. I think it is still fine on Psyker and Vet because of risk-reward. I hate nerfs in PVE games, but it kinda makes no sense to use anything else. I mean I could also play with one hand only, but why would I?
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Just to be curious, show it to me in training area with a video.
I am really curious to see that one shot crushers build. As I said, 3004 damages with fury the faithful and thrust 3 stacks, so a critic + +25% damages and again +60% damages. And still, this is not a one shot.
So, I don’t say it is impossible. I just want to see it and how you obtain that.
I wait the video.
But if you want I can show you a video of one shot crusher with a revolver or a plasma gun.
One-shot with Fury of the Faithful or Shroudfield. All weapon stats 80% save for Mobility. +25% carapace and Thrust. Any Keystone. Tested it just now in the Grinder. I’m too lazy to record. Go do it yourself.
On another note, Dueling Sword on a Vet is busted as well.
edit: aim for the head with Fury, for Shroudfield just backstab.