Regardless of your feelings towards the maker of this video, his point is valid. The Dual Autopistols, as cool as they are, offer almost nothing but downsides in comparison to their main competitor-in-niche, the Infantry Autogun.
The incessant demands for buffs will continue until morale improves

With Pickpocket and Desperado the way they are? ![]()
Could you summarize his point? I donāt like to watch his content is all. Is it just that they donāt perform AS well as the infantry autoguns so they need a buff?
If so I think thatās wrong for multiple reasons
- they perform better than the infantry autoguns in some situations, particularily when it comes to spread and handling while running around like a madman (the psykhanium wonāt let you find this out)
- even if the autoguns are mathematically better in some regards, the autopistols are still winning out in terms of fire rate which is a relevant distinction in delivery of damage because sometimes itās good to minimize the amount of damage that overkill a target under reaction time which is achieved more easily with a higher firerate (the psykhanium wonāt let you find this out)
- Heās most likely ignoring the existence of on-dodge mechanics (the psykhanium wonāt let you trigger them)
Basically my point is that as usual, Tanner Lindberg is a psykhanium warrior and doesnāt seem to actually play the game. The guns are good.
Edit: I clicked through it out of curiosity and I click to like 8 minutes where he compares the accuracy of the weapons by sprinting with the autopistols and ADSing with the autogun. Closed the video again. Please, stop taking anything this guy takes to heart. Heās literally introducing dishonest biases into his own evidence just so he can have a hot take that gets clicks.
I find it very funny that just recently we had a thread about how āautoguns are trashā and now we have a post saying actually IAG is just better dual auto pistols.
Iāll let more knowledgeable people talk about the validity of this claim while I recover from the whiplash of hearing people talk about how bad autoguns are repeatedly only to see hot take Tanner describing IAG as BiS.
I havenāt played / bought Hive Scum so far however the Dual Autopistal are the strongest Argument in my Head to get it so im just gonna say pls buff.
And buff Shredder Autopistol as well. Give it Stolen Ration Starvation Riot Modifier permanteny one (on emperor)
Tanner probably has more playtime in the psykhanium than the actual game.
Dual autopistols are highly mobile and you can see in the video he himself demonstrates the run and gun playstyle they incentivize. You can play very aggressively and break the distance with dual autopistols in a way IAG canāt.
Directly comparing damage on an afk plague ogryn, of course IAG has more dps. Itād be weird if it didnāt.
I donāt watch his channel that often he makes some good claims sometimes, but anyways i can wait for buffs if the op stuff is nerfed first.
class designed around crits
has dual autoguns
every base auto gun in the game crit chains
the class specific autoguns do not
Amazing never change fatshark
āI clicked though the video to confirm my own my own irrational biases rather than watch it and offer an actual fair takeā
I like how the people here coping about him fail to mention Tanner literally says this doesnāt matter outside of havoc 40
But stay irrational people who hate Tanner for most trivial of reasons I guess.
Also itās stilly that class specific autogun for the class designed around crits doesnāt have crit chains like every other autogun.
Iāll accept the criticism if you can come up with a rational explanation for the thing he did there.
I just reject the whole psykhanium warrior
Like itās pretty obvious Tanner has literally proven his ability at the game though multiple self imposed challenges and havoc 40 in general
But sure letās just entirely focus on him using a controlled environment to literally showcase to people what heās discovered though gameplay. And somehow use that as a complete own of anything he has to say
Itās actually pathetic
Iām sick of this placeās Tanner derangement syndrome.
You dodged the question. Why is he comparing an unbraced autopistol while moving to a braced autogun while standing still while comparing accuracy? You said I was just confirming my own irrational biases. Tell me the actual fair interpretation here.
Really thatās the hill youāre dying on
He literally establishes that the dual auto is designed to be up close which literally anyone who has used the weapon can attest to but sure the entire video is ruined because of a minor error
Itās so over tanner fans
You mustāve missed it, but Iām asking you a question. You said my take was just my own irrational bias, so Iād like to hear your perspective which is according to you the fair take.
Why was he doing the thing I described?
PS: āDying on a hillā is a saying for when someone is in the wrong about something but insists heās right and canāt explain why. Sound familiar?
The Dual Auto Pistols need buffs? Fk no⦠lol Has this guy really played this class? Is he dead serious? Sometimes he does put out decent information, but this one is wrong for sure, 100%. As long as you put āRun Nā Gunā & āBlaze Awayā or whatever you like on it, you just run at everything with decent enough accuracy & everything dies. You donāt even need to hit weak spots with it for it to be effective, you just mag dump is the whole idea. You can literally clear entire rooms before your team gets to it. So, granted, itās not great with Carapace & Monsters, okay fine⦠but everything else is easy street. So, I donāt have Tanner derangement syndrome, personally⦠But heās not always right, nor is he some higher-power.
Dual uzis are slightly below the stub pistols in terms of power, simply because itās harder to consistently hit weakspots, otherwise these two weapons are like the recon lasguns on Vet in their prime in terms of ammo economy, except you also have full ranged immunity on top of it, so you can just stay in the line of fire or get close to enemies, unless youāre blocked by an elite wall.
I really donāt think
Hmmm maybe the 2 auto pistols should crit chain like every other autogun since theyāre exclusive to the class designed around crits
Is a crazy idea
Ohh wow, how about clearing like 20 gunners without crit with the snap of your fingers is a crazy idea too & doesnāt need it? Hmm? Very wild, eh? Because it literally does that already. Also, your Stimm & CD/Node talents give you all the crit regardless. Why would you need more? & besides, it literally doesnāt matter because the weapon is OP in the first place. God-like-figure Tan-Tan isnāt always correct, shocking news.
The class already gets like 80% crit, it barely matters, Tanner just intentionally compared them at bottom crit values to make sure it seems like it does.
You couldāve left it at that