Dual Autopistols need a Buff

Regardless of your feelings towards the maker of this video, his point is valid. The Dual Autopistols, as cool as they are, offer almost nothing but downsides in comparison to their main competitor-in-niche, the Infantry Autogun.

The incessant demands for buffs will continue until morale improves

With Pickpocket and Desperado the way they are? :thinking:

Could you summarize his point? I don’t like to watch his content is all. Is it just that they don’t perform AS well as the infantry autoguns so they need a buff?
If so I think that’s wrong for multiple reasons

  1. they perform better than the infantry autoguns in some situations, particularily when it comes to spread and handling while running around like a madman (the psykhanium won’t let you find this out)
  2. even if the autoguns are mathematically better in some regards, the autopistols are still winning out in terms of fire rate which is a relevant distinction in delivery of damage because sometimes it’s good to minimize the amount of damage that overkill a target under reaction time which is achieved more easily with a higher firerate (the psykhanium won’t let you find this out)
  3. He’s most likely ignoring the existence of on-dodge mechanics (the psykhanium won’t let you trigger them)

Basically my point is that as usual, Tanner Lindberg is a psykhanium warrior and doesn’t seem to actually play the game. The guns are good.

Edit: I clicked through it out of curiosity and I click to like 8 minutes where he compares the accuracy of the weapons by sprinting with the autopistols and ADSing with the autogun. Closed the video again. Please, stop taking anything this guy takes to heart. He’s literally introducing dishonest biases into his own evidence just so he can have a hot take that gets clicks.

I find it very funny that just recently we had a thread about how ā€œautoguns are trashā€ and now we have a post saying actually IAG is just better dual auto pistols.

I’ll let more knowledgeable people talk about the validity of this claim while I recover from the whiplash of hearing people talk about how bad autoguns are repeatedly only to see hot take Tanner describing IAG as BiS.

I haven’t played / bought Hive Scum so far however the Dual Autopistal are the strongest Argument in my Head to get it so im just gonna say pls buff.

And buff Shredder Autopistol as well. Give it Stolen Ration Starvation Riot Modifier permanteny one (on emperor)

Tanner probably has more playtime in the psykhanium than the actual game.

Dual autopistols are highly mobile and you can see in the video he himself demonstrates the run and gun playstyle they incentivize. You can play very aggressively and break the distance with dual autopistols in a way IAG can’t.

Directly comparing damage on an afk plague ogryn, of course IAG has more dps. It’d be weird if it didn’t.

I don’t watch his channel that often he makes some good claims sometimes, but anyways i can wait for buffs if the op stuff is nerfed first.

class designed around crits
has dual autoguns
every base auto gun in the game crit chains
the class specific autoguns do not

Amazing never change fatshark

ā€œI clicked though the video to confirm my own my own irrational biases rather than watch it and offer an actual fair takeā€

I like how the people here coping about him fail to mention Tanner literally says this doesn’t matter outside of havoc 40
But stay irrational people who hate Tanner for most trivial of reasons I guess.

Also it’s stilly that class specific autogun for the class designed around crits doesn’t have crit chains like every other autogun.

I’ll accept the criticism if you can come up with a rational explanation for the thing he did there.

I just reject the whole psykhanium warrior
Like it’s pretty obvious Tanner has literally proven his ability at the game though multiple self imposed challenges and havoc 40 in general

But sure let’s just entirely focus on him using a controlled environment to literally showcase to people what he’s discovered though gameplay. And somehow use that as a complete own of anything he has to say

It’s actually pathetic
I’m sick of this place’s Tanner derangement syndrome.

You dodged the question. Why is he comparing an unbraced autopistol while moving to a braced autogun while standing still while comparing accuracy? You said I was just confirming my own irrational biases. Tell me the actual fair interpretation here.

Really that’s the hill you’re dying on
He literally establishes that the dual auto is designed to be up close which literally anyone who has used the weapon can attest to but sure the entire video is ruined because of a minor error
It’s so over tanner fans

You must’ve missed it, but I’m asking you a question. You said my take was just my own irrational bias, so I’d like to hear your perspective which is according to you the fair take.
Why was he doing the thing I described?

PS: ā€œDying on a hillā€ is a saying for when someone is in the wrong about something but insists he’s right and can’t explain why. Sound familiar?

The Dual Auto Pistols need buffs? Fk no… lol Has this guy really played this class? Is he dead serious? Sometimes he does put out decent information, but this one is wrong for sure, 100%. As long as you put ā€˜Run N’ Gun’ & ā€˜Blaze Away’ or whatever you like on it, you just run at everything with decent enough accuracy & everything dies. You don’t even need to hit weak spots with it for it to be effective, you just mag dump is the whole idea. You can literally clear entire rooms before your team gets to it. So, granted, it’s not great with Carapace & Monsters, okay fine… but everything else is easy street. So, I don’t have Tanner derangement syndrome, personally… But he’s not always right, nor is he some higher-power.

Dual uzis are slightly below the stub pistols in terms of power, simply because it’s harder to consistently hit weakspots, otherwise these two weapons are like the recon lasguns on Vet in their prime in terms of ammo economy, except you also have full ranged immunity on top of it, so you can just stay in the line of fire or get close to enemies, unless you’re blocked by an elite wall.

I really don’t think
Hmmm maybe the 2 auto pistols should crit chain like every other autogun since they’re exclusive to the class designed around crits

Is a crazy idea

Ohh wow, how about clearing like 20 gunners without crit with the snap of your fingers is a crazy idea too & doesn’t need it? Hmm? Very wild, eh? Because it literally does that already. Also, your Stimm & CD/Node talents give you all the crit regardless. Why would you need more? & besides, it literally doesn’t matter because the weapon is OP in the first place. God-like-figure Tan-Tan isn’t always correct, shocking news.

The class already gets like 80% crit, it barely matters, Tanner just intentionally compared them at bottom crit values to make sure it seems like it does.

You could’ve left it at that